Is
it a coincidence that the bubbling idiocy of “Sex and the City,” the
movie, exploded upon the cultural scene at the exact same time that
Hillary Clinton’s candidacy imploded?
Literally, of course, it is. Figuratively, I’m not so sure.
And before I set off an avalanche of e-mails explaining why Hillary
deserved to lose, I want to make one point clear: I am talking here not
about the outcome of her candidacy – mistakes were made, and she faced
a formidable opponent in Barack Obama – but rather about the climate in
which her campaign was conducted. The zeitgeist in which Hillary floundered and “Sex” is now flourishing.
It’s a cultural moment that Andrew Stephen, writing with an
outsider’s eye for the British magazine the New Statesman last month,
characterized as a time of “gloating, unshackled sexism of the ugliest kind.”
A moment in which things like the formation of a Hillary-bashing
political action group, “Citizens United Not Timid,” a “South Park”
episode featuring a nuclear weapon hidden in Clinton’s vagina, and
Internet sales of a Hillary Clinton nutcracker with shark-like teeth
between her legs, passed largely without mainstream media notice,
largely, perhaps, because some of the key gatekeepers of mainstream
opinion were so busy coming up with various iterations of the
nutcracker theme themselves. (Tucker Carlson on Hillary: “When she
comes on television, I involuntarily cross my legs.” For a good cry,
watch this incredible montage from the Women’s Media Center.)
Stephen is not the first commentator to note
that if similarly hateful racial remarks had been made about Obama, our
nation would have turned itself inside out in a paroxysm of
soul-searching and shame. Had mainstream commentators in 2000
speculated, say, that Joe Lieberman had a nose for dough, or made funny
Shylock references, heads would have rolled – and rightfully so.
But 16 months of sustained misogyny? Hey — she asked for it. With that voice,
(“When Hillary Clinton speaks, men hear, ‘Take out the garbage’ ” Fox
News regular Marc Rudov, author of “Under the Clitoral Hood: How to
Crank Her Engine Without Cash, Booze, or Jumper Cables,” said in
January). With that ambition, and that dogged determination (“like
everyone’s first wife standing outside a probate court,” according to
MSNBC commentator Mike Barnicle) and, of course, that husband
(Chris Matthews: “The reason she’s a U.S. Senator, the reason she’s a
candidate for president, the reason she may be a front-runner is her
husband messed around.”). Clearly, in an age when the dangers and
indignities of Driving While Black are well-acknowledged, and properly
condemned, Striving While Female – if it goes too far and looks too
real — is still held to be a crime.
In a culture that’s reached such a level of ostensible enlightenment
as ours, calling a powerful woman “castrating” – however you choose to
put it – ought to be seen as just as offensive as rubbing your fingers
together to convey a love of gold coinage when you talk about a Jew.
It’s nothing other than an expression of woman-hate — and the degree to
which such expressions have flourished, in the mainstream media and in
the loonier reaches of cyberspace this year, has added up to be a real
national shame.
Which brings me back to “Sex and the City.”
How antithetical Hillary’s earnest, electric blue pants-suited whole
being is to the frothy cheer of that film, which has women now turning
out in droves, a song in their hearts, unified in popcorn-clutching
sisterhood to a degree I haven’t seen since the ugly, angry days of
Anita Hill and … the first incarnation of Hillary Clinton. How times
have changed. How yucky, how baby boomerish, how frowningly pre-Botox
were the early 1990s. How brilliantly does “Sex” – however atrocious it
may be – surf our current zeitgeist, sugar-coating it all in Blahniks
and Westwood, and yummy men and yummier real estate, and squeakingly
desperate girl cheer.
Take Miranda: a working mother archetype for an anti-woman age.
She’s so callous now that she won’t let her nanny eat a decent meal,
and so defiantly sexless that she’s let her pubic hair grow in. Take
Charlotte: the Good Mommy, with an angel’s face and no employment, a
seemingly limitless credit line and an adoring troglodyte of a husband
(so short, so bald, and yet so good with the gelt). And then
– please – take Samantha. At 50, she’s the one girlfriend aged enough
to bear the baggage of old-time, Clinton-era feminist sentiment. She’s
a self-centered heart-breaker, a real man-eater — you should see how
she rejects a drooping roll of sushi — her corruption made manifest by
the fact that, at film’s end, she develops (gasp!) a gut.
Yes, a gut, girls, like yours and mine and that of virtually any
real woman who’s over 35, or has had children, or has something more
important to do than full-time Pilates.
“Sex and the City” is the perfect movie for our allegedly
ever-so-promising post-feminist era, when “angry” is out and Restalyne
is in, and virtually all our country’s most powerful women look younger
now than they did 20 years ago.
Oh, lighten up, I can hear you say. Don’t get your knickers in a twist.
Earnestness is so unattractive (in a woman).















































2008
8:11 pm
Welcome back
Have you met Mr. Krugman?
— Posted by Jesse
2008
8:41 pm
Judith,
I just now found this. Two and a half hours after you posted it. It is
so deeply welcome to me [*] that my first reaction on finding no posted
comments was simple incredulity. I thought I must have ?”missed
something”?. But no, it appears that no one has posted here yet.
I just hope people will start posting. The media coverage of so many
points — small and large — pertaining to the primaries has, all-in-all,
about flattened me by now. And the all-around acrimony of many blog
site “comments” has, for me, been probably as exhausting as the
seriousness of so many of the issues. But I’m hoping maybe you and your
readers will pick up your basic ideas and questions and offer us all
some exchanges that might — conceivably? — offer a little “light”
alongside however much or little “heat”.
Thanks for all your works,
marte hall
— Posted by marte hall
2008
9:50 pm
Thank you so much for this.
— Posted by meredith
2008
12:28 am
I
cannot believe the indecency of these people in the msm. What upset me
the most was how there were even women joining in the game…Such a
travesty…
— Posted by jennifer orozco
2008
12:49 am
Welcome back Judith. I look forward to reading more of your inspired writings in the days/months ahead.
— Posted by Dud
2008
1:21 am
You
and Joan Walsh of Salon are the only two voices I have found on this
subject that reflect my own views. Thank you for this article.
Now, what can we DO about it?
I have been so shocked at Hillary’s treatment and the “zeitgeist” I see on TV and the net.
I’m especially saddened by the anti-woman anti-Hillary commentary of many of the women on TV!
From the silence following the “Iron My Shirt” and “Marry Me”
outbursts in NH to yesterday when Andrea Mitchell worried aloud that
Barack may look “henpecked” by Hillary and her followers, I have been
wondering – Who are these people and where do these attitudes come
from? Women like Andrea, Dowd, Borger, Ifill, and others disappoint
me…and I wonder…do they live in the real world?
At an Obama event in LA, Oprah asserted – with Michelle Obama,
Caroline Kennedy and Maria Shriver onstage – that we are post-feminist
now, and to prove it – Oprah told the crowd – we didn’t have to vote
for Hillary, because we had succeeded – we were liberated and to prove
it we could move past the women’s movement…we could be done with all
that sisterhood stuff and be guilt-free to vote for Obama instead of
Hillary! Now, I never thought all women should or would vote for
Hillary, but Oprah’s post-feminist “logic” showed that she is out of
touch! Oprah and other elites may not experience the real harm that
sexist dsicrimination imposes on millions of women in their everyday
lives, but I can tell you that I witness sexism in my business EVERY
day and there is ample evidence that women are STILL the “niggers of
the world”, as Yoko Ono and John Lenno wrote 36 years ago! We are
certainly not beyond the need for all that sisterhood stuff yet.
But, even though I am very familiar with sexism in the workplace and
society, I have been stunned by its pervasiveness in the public square
during this campaign…the loudness of it, the crudeness of it, the
hatefulness…and the lack of righteous indignation and vocal resistance
to it.
Where are the women who will speak up in public and not feel the
need to apologize for defending, protecting and advocating for respect
for other women? Where are the men who respect women??? Why don’t they
speak out?
I yell at the TV, and I want to write letters to every editor and
politician…but it would be a full-time job (I avoid even going to the
blogs anymore because they are so-o-o-o hate-filled)!
I don’t understand how we got to this place in our public discourse,
nor do I understand the underlying attitudes, but I’ll wait for someone
else to try to explain the root causes. Meanwhile, I’ll take the
behaviorist’s approach. I DON’T want to hear it, so I will speak out
whenever I can!
What I really want to know is this – - what are we ALL going to DO about it together?
For our mothers, for our daughters, for ourselves and the betterment of society, we must DO something!
Obama’s acceptance speech is scheduled for the anniversary of a
great civil rights event years ago. And, many have remarked on the
serendipity.
Is it too audacious to hope that this political year can also end
with some grand act of grace that signals the end of tolerance of
sexism toward women?
— Posted by Mary Sweeney
2008
1:33 am
Just
what I have been thinking, Judith. Thank-you for speaking up. Hillary
Clinton took way too many undeserved blows from her “hate club”. She
deserves so much more respect.
— Posted by robin
2008
1:33 am
Thank
you so much for speaking so elquently about this past primary. Women in
America are disriminated against to a shameful degree. The more
powerful a woman becomes the more she is attacked. The media is even
more to blame since they have been the worst perpetrators of such
misogony. I am ashamed to be an American citizen at this time when it
comes to the way women are treated.
I feel as though I was living in a nightmare where women were told
you better stand in line behind the men or else you will be blamed for
everything. What I feel was worse was that women themselves did not
react as forcefully as they should have. I am glad you did. I wish your
article had been written during the primary but better late than ever.
Thank you,
Alba
— Posted by Albana Karakushi
2008
1:35 am
Hillary
did NOT deserve to lose . . . but Bill did. No matter what, I could not
get past the image of that arrogant bozo walking across the White House
lawn, waving at the reporters, and mouthing-off on every conceivable
subject. It became apparent to me that I should never vote Clinton
again. Hillary may not have filed for divorce, but most of America did.
Bill is the number one reason she lost.
— Posted by Will Ficek
2008
1:38 am
As
a 23-year-old woman, I am well-aware that sexism is alive and kicking
in our American society. At the same time, I love Sex and the City for
all its frippery and squealing. When will we ever be allowed to just be
women, whether that means being “masculine” or “feminine”, young or
old, wrinkled or botoxed, homemakers or career-oriented or whatever? I
am so tired of feeling like I can’t walk down my street without getting
harassed by men at every turn, just because of the way I look in a pair
of shorts? It is at times like those when I wish we were all a bit more
feminist-oriented and I didn’t feel foolish about telling a cop about
some man who yelled terrible things at me from his car. At the same
time, the reason why my generation has so embraced Sex and the City is
because it allows us to have it all, or at least dream about having it
all: a career, a relationship, friends, a family, and the ability to
have sex and talk about it and not feel ashamed. So what if I like to
fantasize about shoes and an apartment I can never afford? I will
probably get those things before I ever get that man in his car
arrested for sexual harassment.
— Posted by Sage
2008
1:55 am
The
fact that you’re offended by the idea that men find a powerful woman
“castrating” doesn’t make it any less true. As long as the sentiment is
genuine and mainstream, it’s not going away. Hardly any white person
feels comfortable saying the “n” word nowadays. But none of us mind
Cing yoU Next Tuesday.
— Posted by Adam
2008
2:04 am
I’ve
noted this for a long time. I don’t know where those denying it have
been but perhaps they just find it normal in their warped world.
A number of issues have been raised, articles posted and positions
argued recently that are very pertinent to the feminist perspective.
The ever increasing sexualization of even pre-adolescent girls, leading to…….
A study detailing the 24% STD rate in teenage girls, probably resulting partly from………
A increasing trend towards casual sex on campus that is not only
considered normal (as it has been for some time) but an expected part
of merely hanging out.
All of this culminates in Sex & T C which tells them that
holding out for Mr. Right is a necessity and one must do whatever is
necessary to land him.
Unfortunately, I don’t think many women see the connections or
understand the problem. Such an environment empowers the small minority
of men who are members of this club.
I see this culminating in an era where women may have any job they
want but are otherwise valued little by society. Giving anything away
for free means those getting it don’t value it much. “Bring in a
paycheck and service me” will be their mantra.
I’m not writing this from a religious perspective – I’m an atheist.
But I see the situation with Hillary as just the most exposed part of
the problem.
My niece has recently turned 12 and I’ve discussed this with my
sister who is grappling with the problem. I was amazed at what she is
seeing in the neighborhood and school.
— Posted by Steve
2008
2:05 am
Welcome back, Judith. You were missed.
— Posted by Ahalya
2008
2:21 am
Actually,
no one seems to have commented on the fact that the press routinely, as
in this column, refer to Senator Clinton by her first name. I cannot
remember any other presidential candidate, in any election cycle, who
was ever refered to by their first name only. In the primary Barack was
always Obama or Senator Obama. The same for John McCain – the same for
all the male candidates.
While I personally find using Hillary rather endearing, because
after all we have had her around for a long time and perhaps feel we
know her, isn’t it also a bit disrespectful and belittling?
— Posted by Paul Estabrook
2008
2:24 am
This
is spot on. The same old story, two people, one very accomplished, the
other eye candy, and the eye candy wins. Yes, if Obama had been
assaulted equivalently as H. Clinton did, people in this and other
countries would have been appalled!
I suspect we have seen a great media manipulation to come up with a
pleasant story of McCain and Obama, two worthless candidates, and
excluding the one candidate that knows the job.
— Posted by John
2008
2:30 am
We
tried to ignore the brutality of Hillary’s treatment at the hands of
the media and by the “cyber crazies” (as you call them), who would
proclaim their innocence with the demurral, “it’s not that she’s a
woman, but that she’s that woman.”
We thought, if Hillary just makes it to the finish, all those
haters, unleashed to practice with relish the wonderful sport of female
bashing, would be rendered moot. Now that she’s been vanquished, what
she has endured has sunk in and it’s not a pretty picture. She was
savaged openly and with impunity. There were far too little protest and
outrage. Female pundits sat silently as their male counterparts spoke
of her “grating voice”, her tendency towards “bitchiness.” You’ve
covered many of the worse offenders in this column.
I don’t know how politics are conducted in other countries, but what
has gone on in here is a national shame. We’ll not have a dialogue
about it comparable to one we might have about racism. Women and men
are too close; it’s too hard to separate the parts that are relational,
sexual, habitual and private. So far, our society hasn’t permitted
sufficient public access to women to allow the distinction between
public and private to flourish. Hence all the comments from the male
pundits about Hillary reminding them of their wives when they are
badgered about the garbage, household chores, etc. What public space
women are allowed is more likely to be taken up with the representation
we see on the covers of magazines of every ilk: women with legs spread,
come on smiles and breasts shoved into the face of the viewer. I can
hardly pass a newsstand without being offended.
We have a lot of work to do. Let’s, indeed, be earnest about it.
— Posted by searchfemme
2008
2:35 am
It’s great to have you back!
Thanks for capturing so brilliantly how many women –and men– feel
about Hillary’s treatment by the media and its broader implications on
the post-feminist era our young daughters will navigate in.
— Posted by Nancy
2008
2:37 am
There’re
still a lot of women candidates at the grassroots level that deserve
everybody’s support. Get some more people in office and the dynamics
will change all around.
Hillary should take some time this season to support their candidacies.
— Posted by Johnny E
2008
2:38 am
Thank
heavens somebody has the nerve to say that Sex and the City does not
represent the ethic, priorities, or real lives of women in this
“post-feminist” era. Falling into bed with strangers at the age of 50
doesn’t sound like liberation to me or any woman I know. These
characters are superficial, selfish narcissists, interested in
immediate gratification at the expense of community, commitment, and
long-term well-being. I suspect they’re actually men in drag.
The language surrounding HRC’s candidacy has been appalling:
criticisms of voice tone, cleavage, ankles, clothing, ad infinitum. Has
anybody read the misogyny written by Maureen Dowd in none other than,
you guessed it, the New York Times? According to her, Clinton is
“cryptonite” to Obama’s “superman.” Just astonishing that we’ve allowed
the dialogue to devolve to this level of gender-based derision.
Thank you, Judith Warner!
— Posted by harte
2008
2:41 am
You
are so right about the bashing that has gone on of Hilary because she
is a woman. Thank you so much for coming out an saying this directly. I
have raised three daughters. I have told them they can be whatever
their education, training, passion, and desire will allow them to be. I
am not sure if I have told them the truth in a society that still feels
that it is okay to bash women.
I look forward to seeing if other will weigh in on this very thoughtful commentary on your part..
Judy
— Posted by Judith Lutzy
2008
2:42 am
Thank you.
— Posted by Alexandra Ewing
2008
2:44 am
As
a woman of a certain age there is little doubt that sexist comments are
an ugly reality of this race. However, discussing the lack of
sensitivity among individual members of the media or the mysogony of a
number of Obama supporters detracts from a very real problem unearthed
by this campaign. Yes, Hillary seemed like the last best chance to get
a woman in the white house. So does that mean that those of us who were
looking forward to female leadership out of a hope that the differences
in outlook and operational imperatives forged from the unique
experiences of womanhood in America should not have been dissappointed
by the actions of Hillary that were not much different from males that
have dominated the political landscape and frankly screwed up our
world. Personally I am still looking forward to a woman president. But
I would like one that is not in DNA only. Perhaps I am holding women to
a higher standard but we also hold African Americans to a higher
standard and clearly the classiness of the Obama campaign proves that
he was able to rise to the occassion. No this does not excuse the awful
comments made by some men in the media but how you conduct yourself can
exacerbate the problem.
— Posted by Dee
2008
2:58 am
You
are making a good point, although you ignore the fact that loonier
corners of the internet as well as this society as whole were also full
of racist sentiments and insinuations about Senator Obama. Moreover, on
several occasions, Senator Clinton chose to encourage such sentiments
(remember the “hard-working WHITE people” quote? or “he is not Muslim,
AS FAR AS I KNOW”?). Simply put, Senator Obama ran a more dignified
campaign. As a male feminist, I applaud Hillary Clinton’s intellect and
strength. But I was turned off by her many arguments and positions that
struck me as entirely, completely, unashamedly fake: take, for example,
her BIG POINT on canceling the gasoline tax for the summer. Or her
attack against ALL “economists”, including her supporter Prof. Paul
Krugman, as responsible for the economic policies of the current
administration. In her search of presidency, Senator Clinton chose to
manipulate the anti-intellectual bias of her less educated supporters,
and I found this deeply disturbing.
— Posted by Odin
2008
3:07 am
To
add insult to injury many men, and many male-minded women, of the DNC
will now expect us to simply turn off our “emotions” (our rightful
anger and grief) and simply do the reasonable and logical thing….that
is, vote for Obama. I swear…it’s as if our leaders have never taken
even one basic course on gender and lack the utter capacity to
understand that maleness and femaleness is DIFFERENT! And many of our
fellow sisters! I’m amazed how comfortable they’ve become with the
oppression. As a younger, gay MAN I stand firmly with my sisters who’ve
supported Hillary and, come November, I’m voting for Cythnia McKinnery,
the African American woman running in the Green Party who shares all of
my progressive values. See ya DNC! Way TOO little and way TOO late!
— Posted by gaypastor
2008
3:08 am
I
understand and welcome a discussion of gender roles in our society, but
it’s unfortunate that it has to come couched in this Hillary context.
Hillary Clinton lost because she is a truly lamentable and morally
destitute person, not because of anything nutty old Mathews said or of
her portrayal on South Park (which by the way, released a movie in
which blacks were strapped to the outside of tanks in order to provide
them extra armor).
Subtle degradations of every demographic can be found quite readily
if one just looks – it is in no way unique to women and they suffer no
more than *any* demographic, even including old white men in black
suits who run banks. Where’s the outrage when John McCain’s speech the
other night was panned as looking like “cottage cheese in a bowl of
lime jello”? How about Hillary calling Barack Obama good looking in a
debate? How about her saying that Rush Limbaugh has a crush on her?
I think we just need to accept that people have differences. Women
are not men. Men are not women. Whites are not blacks and so on. We
also have to accept that not every notice of these differences is bad
and can be eradicated by trying to disguise oneself as a different
demographic (Hillary’s obsession with appearing “tough” and incessantly
painting Obama as not tough enough). These are her perceptions of the
qualities the world values and an exposing her outdated insecurities.
Women will rise when they, like the democrats, finally understand that
they should act as themselves, unapologetically.
— Posted by Jon
2008
3:12 am
I
needed this. But mainly New York Times needed your piece as a way to
clean up after your collegue Dowd. I wonder why you didn’t add some of
the phrases she came up with. The truth is that recently the writing of
most of your collegues on NYTimes pages depresses me. I came to the
point I cannot even look at Dowd’s, Herbert’s, Rich’s and Brooks’
writing. Some irritates me, some makes me sad, some makes me nauseted.
I never experienced time when I was so alienated form this paper as I
am now. I was angry about this or that piece, once or twice a year.
Now, I just resigned myself to the fact, that NYTimes is one more
terribly biased paper and that I cannot look there for support while
confronting maddness around. So you brought some relief. Than you.
— Posted by marysia
2008
3:24 am
welcome back judith
i was very conflicted as to whom to support during the democratic
primary… i would sooo like to see a capable woman (which hillary
clearly is) in the white house but i sooo didn’t want to see the same
kind of policital baggage schlepped around in the next presidency as
has been in the last (almost) couple of decades.
i live in germany (since 2001) and there is sometimes more overt
sexism here than in the US, but when i read about the things that have
been said about hillary, there is NO WAY that kind of thing would be
acceptable here…. in the US it seems more subversive.
i am really ashamed of those guys quoted by judith and very
disheartened about what my 2yo daughter might still have to face if we
do move back to the US. agela merkel has done an awesome job here and
although she had to put up with “styling tips” at the start of her
leadership, it seems that thankfully germany has moved beyond that.
— Posted by eleni
2008
3:26 am
Eloquent,
fierce, and just appraisal of the media’s Hillary rules, and a telling
juxtaposition with the film: there are no coincidences!
Unfortunately, some of the worst offenders have been female
columnists in this very paper–one in particular. You’ve done a bit here
to redeem her predictably disgraceful columns, but more–much more–is
needed.
— Posted by Kevin E.
2008
3:53 am
Dear Ms. Warner,
One reason sexist commentary isn’t met with the same fury as racist
or anti-semitic commentary might be that blacks were, within recent
memory, skinned alive and hung from trees and Jews were murdered by the
millions. If white women over 50 had until recently been lynched for
voting, or 75% of them were murdered in an attempt to exterminate the
female gender during WWII, I’m sure people’s sensitivities would be
quite different.
Note that I’m not excusing sexist commentary. As you put it, “mistakes were made.”
Still, to be fair, we should acknowledge that Senator Clinton’s
campaign didn’t suffer from sexism. It was out there, but it didn’t
hurt her campaign. On the contrary, she benefitted from it. The “Iron
my shirt” incident in New Hampshire, for example, was a gift from
heaven for her politically speaking. It was idiotic, shameful and
disrespectful not only to the candidate but to women everywhere. But if
it weren’t for two idiots embarrassing themselves in front of a crowd
which quickly shamed them, she might have lost New Hampshire, and that
would have effectively killed her chances all the way back in January,
a mere five days after her campaign spent everything they had to finish
3rd in Iowa.
But fear not. I’m sure Senator Clinton will receive all the respect
she deserves for her uplifting campaign and noteworthy honesty. Like
Joe Lieberman she’ll be forever remembered for campaigning on behalf of
Senator McCain against Senator Obama during the Democratic primary. And
who could ever forget the moment her campaign staff introduced her as
the Next President of the United States hours after she had been
mathematically eliminated from a primary she lost over three months ago?
A women with the integrity to agree in advance to the fairness and
appropriateness of a set of rules, only to turn demagogue and decry
their unfairness the moment she realized she couldn’t win unless those
rules were changed (a) after the fact and (b) in a manner which would
maximally disadvantage those who kept their word, well, that’s a women
with a very bright future ahead of her as a politician.
Wouldn’t you agree Ms. Warner?
— Posted by Do the facts matter?
2008
4:08 am
I’m so glad you’re back!
You know, as awful as the misongyny has been and as much as the
media perpetrated and ignored that misongyny, I am actually remarkably
optimistic about things. Why? Because in the end it didn’t seem to
matter that much. Senator Clinton mostly ignored the sexist comments. I
reallize that she has been criticized for this but I think that was the
smart thing to do. By not losing her cool she showed just how ignorant
those comments were. And almost half of all the Democrats in the
country voted for her (even if I didn’t). Pretty damn cool.
— Posted by sfgirl
2008
4:12 am
I
can’t stand Hillary Clinton and I think she would have made a terrible
president – but I agree that the tremendously gendered way in which she
was attacked by her detractors was shocking and shameful.
— Posted by margaret
2008
4:18 am
And I thought I had noticed all the bias and mean editorializing. lucky for my blood pressure I missed these.
— Posted by charles perry
2008
4:26 am
You are so right — I’m thankful that someone has finally said this!!
— Posted by Maggie
2008
4:26 am
As
a 21-year-old female Clinton supporter, a young women without much
awareness of the previous struggles of feminism, I have been shocked
and dismayed by the levels of misogyny I have witnessed as a result of
her candidacy.
I had thought women had won most of our battles decades ago. I have
realized how wrong I was. If nothing else, this unfortunate unfolding
of events may have woken up more young women like me to the feminist
cause.
Thank you for this piece. I’m going to be linking to it all over the place.
— Posted by Marrisa
2008
4:27 am
People
are embracing lipstick feminism, as the accepted norm. Younger
generations are now over the 1970’s era of “ball breaking” feminism as
a requirement for respect. Castration is now considered purely
offensive to most men since we have been exposed to more powerful and
appealing suitors like Ariana Huffington.
— Posted by chris
2008
4:28 am
I
live in Europe, and many people think I’m making things up when I tell
them that the US is still extremely sexist and that Hillary has been
attacked from the beginning because of her gender. I can’t wait to send
them your column and the links you’ve put in! Thank you!!!!!!!!!
(ps: I do like Sex & the City though- everyone needs some mindless fantasy entertainment!)
— Posted by db
2008
4:35 am
Thank
you, Ms. Warner! From the hecklers in New Hampshire (”Iron my shirts!”)
to supposed “enlightened man” Mike Barnicle’s blatant misogyny on cable
television, this political campaign has really brought the ugliness in
America’s attitudes toward women to the fore…and few people seem to
care. It is unimaginable that in the twenty-first century, mainstream
American journalists would let loose such a stream of leering, vile
commentary toward a black candidate, yet it is apparently still
socially acceptable to lambaste women who are committing such
unpardonable sins as aging naturally, speaking out in public, and
daring to challenge men for jobs as equals.
— Posted by Julia
2008
4:47 am
I
keep thinking back to a comment Tina Fey made on SNL, the sketch about
“bitch is the new black” (which my mom loved…). To paraphrase: “Women
don’t need to vote for Hillary just because she’s a woman; they’re
independent and strong-minded and free to vote for whoever Oprah tells
them to.”
I think the issue is one of complacency, or perhaps something
stronger: the belief that if we acknowledge that, in light of progress,
something is bad, but we indulge in it anyway, that makes it ok. We
women have come so far that we now can take our liberties for granted
(including that a woman would stand a chance of being president). We
can say, it’s ok to indulge in the girlishness of SATC and shopping,
because we’ve acknowledged that it’s silly and have moved on to enjoy
it, in the way that one decides to enjoy a candy bar in spite of what
the label says. In real life, however, many of my college friends (I’m
a grad student now) say, “Having obtained my Ivy League education, I
feel free to pursue my career until I have babies, and then I feel free
to choose to stay home rather than continue to pursue my career.” As
the oft-unattended but never neglected child of a power couple who has
seen from her mother what it takes to succeed, it frightens me that
women — especially educationally privileged women — are so willing to
hark back to the pre-feminist so easily and call it a matter of
“choice”.
I feel like what the commentators said about Hillary was just a
larger expression of this. There’s this nod that women have fought, and
now that the fighting is over, it’s ok to take indulge in misogyny
because if one overtly calls it misogyny and acknowledges it for what
it is, it is informed bigotry as opposed to uninformed bigotry. [And
how much more fun it is when you know exactly what you’re indulging
in!] What people forget is that informed bigotry is still bigotry, and
could be considered the worse sin for the knowledge of it.
And, at the risk of being attacked by indignant post-feminists, I
would have to say that a conscious decision to abrogate one’s rights is
worse than not having them in the first place. I say this because we
should be aware: if we’re not careful, we could lose these rights in a
slow, subtle manner that one day we might wake up to discover that we
are closer to where we started than where we had wanted to go.
— Posted by Stephanie the Indignant Classicist
2008
4:50 am
As
an Obama supporter,I can only say HOORAY for your post.The
acceptability of the inane anti-female comments disguised as comedy or
political commentary is what is troubling.It is so ingrained in our
culture that it’s offensiveness is hardly noticed.We’ve got a lot f
work to do.
— Posted by andrew b
2008
4:51 am
Many
of the Obama supporters, who unlike Fox news should have knownbetter,
peddled a more politically correct version of the Woman’s Media Center
video. When their candidate loses the reliably Democratic “over 60 year
old woman vote” and the election, they can look at this video and
understand the reason why. Why is the equality of women still so
threatening?
— Posted by clare
2008
5:00 am
Thank you JW for the time and thought you’ve put into this issue to raise its much needed visibility.
What’s so deeply troubling to me is just how permissible it has
become for criticism to be acceptable when its based on personal
characteristics of identity, such as gender and skin color. Shame on
the media for consistently exploiting an underhand sensational angle to
lure viewers with an coverage that does not raise the level of debate
or the quality of conjecture but lowers it instead.
An equally big enemy is the culture of acquiescence. It is insidious
for when slurs are made and not challenged the silence is misunderstood
as condoning the opinion being promoted.
The media will not change, People’s mean spirited attacks on identity will not change. So what can be done?
I believe it is nothing short of vital to introduce a climate of
debate in early in our society, in schools; to add to the curriculum a
regular review of news topics in the media, not what is being reported
but HOW it is being reported. We need not just to equip kids to be more
analytically discerning about how the issues of the day are being
reported, but raise the society of the future with some standards
today. Remaining silent sends the wrong signal to very impressionable
generation.
— Posted by gugoda
2008
5:01 am
I
must admit I am not clear what your point was, why you opened with “why
Hillary deserved to lose.” I was not a fan of heres – to me she ran her
campaign like the political machine so popular and successful last
century. She would say anything, even if not true, to drum up limbic
brained emotions when the country is calling out for consciousness. She
did not set a model for feminism in my opinion, instead she acted like
an old cigar-smoking pol from the 50’s. I found it utterly ungenuine to
rage about the attacks on her – and really, there were plenty of
lowball slurs to Obama too. They were guised in the Muslim thing not
the black thing though, as people knew I suppose they could away with
that.
There will always be the bottom-feeders who slur and defame; it is a
waste of time to think otherwise, though of course these slime attacks
are obscene and cruel. They do in fact only reflect poorly on those who
spread them; we gain a lot by ignoring them.
What disappoints me, as a woman, is how Hillary tried to use the
worst of both feminism and feminism backlash to manipulate people into
supporting her. I can only hope she has simply suffered so much
degradation in the past as a woman that she believed these were her
only viable tactics.
Because in fact, she had so many people who wanted to support the
persona of a woman president. She had a nation sick of the abuses of
hte Bush administration. She had a nation of young women raised by
feminist moms and dads, who don’t grok all the disadvantages HRC and I
might have grown up with. Too bad she abused that trust by refusing to
lead and take the high ground, and instead gaming the system at every
opportunity. The fuzzy math being one of the stupidest things.
She must now take responsibility for nourishing the bottom feeders
who comprise the “zeitgeist” to which you refer. The more we focus on
the racists and the sexists, the more power they gain. It is time to
ignore them, completely, until they shrivel away having lost all
relevance.
— Posted by rbd
2008
5:03 am
Never thought of it like that before. Duh, I’m a man, I never gave it a thought at all.
— Posted by michael b
2008
5:10 am
Thank
you – I’ve been saying this for months and been scoffed at. Of course,
it will be denied! But in terms of political equality, we’re way behind
India, Germany, Israel, etc.
— Posted by Michelle
2008
5:11 am
You are no doubt right, and provide a focus on what it was like on the HRC’s side (eschewing the ‘balance’) that is welcome.
However. We should not focus too much on the sexism HRC has had to
contend with, without acknowledging that the real failure was her
inability to rise to the challenge. For us to make so much of sexism in
HRC’s case is akin to putting Jesse Jackson’s failed Presidential bid
all those years ago down to racism. Sure these negative factors
(racism, sexism) play a part, but what Obama has shown is that it is
possible to rise above them. HRC on the other hand has demonstrated
clearly the dangers relying solely on brand recognition to try and
capture the nomination. HRC’s campaign strategy at the start can safely
be described as non-existent! For us to now talk about sexism, racism
or whatever, is really to miss the more important point: She didn’t
bother to give it her best shot!
— Posted by Antonin Masala
2008
5:14 am
Oh
gosh, Judith, I’m *so* glad you’re back! My life is sane again. I can
look forward to your common sense to buoy me through the madness of
this world. Thank you for writing and for writing the things you do!
— Posted by Judy in Wisconsin
2008
5:26 am
I’ve
been for Barack Obama since way before he declared as a candidate, but
the shabby way (actually viscious is more like it) in which Hillary
Clinton has been treated since Super Tuesday is shameful and beyond the
Pale. Cable “news” and bloggers of every ilk, knawing on Hillary’s
carcass without showing any restraint whatsoever, has been “the worst
of times” for the Democratic party. We must seem like junk yard dogs to
the rest of the world.
— Posted by Marlene Adams-Phillips
2008
5:27 am
Dearest
Judith! Just what I had been thinking all along… throughout the entire
primary season. Glad that you put it into words. It’s too bad we can’t
all be enlightened enough to embrace strong women. If we were, maybe
we’d be able to enjoy a world where ::gasp:: women are equal and
appreciated for everything they are (and don’t need to pay to
inject/implant in what they are not). Sadly, I only see this dream
fading into the distance.
Hopefully Obama’s change machine attempts to tackle this one, though
I’m not betting on it. Alas, he is the presumptive nominee, so I hope
for the best.
— Posted by Alexis Estrella
2008
5:32 am
You are right.
— Posted by bob dg
2008
5:42 am
“Good
Mommy, with an angel’s face and no employment, a seemingly limitless
credit line and an adoring troglodyte of a husband (so short, so bald,
and yet so good with the gelt).”
When a woman says something like this, it’s okay but should the same thought come out of a man’s mouth it’s misogyny?
— Posted by katman
2008
5:45 am
I
am so disappointed in us. The juggernaut of snide, lewd and obnoxious
media prattle only reinforces my feeling that we have devolved into a
nation of cowards and bullies. Our media is on a level with the
mindless, violent video games and the crass materialistic pap that we
feed our children. And I have to point out that, even though I’m going
to support him strongly in the election, Obama and his supporters have
taken advantage of our misogyny to further their own ends. Very
depressing.
— Posted by Howard Deixler
2008
5:51 am
Hillary
Clinton deserves a purple heart for what she has endured in this
campaign. She is manifestly the best candidate for president, but how
could she have won faced with the ugliness you describe and with the
more polite misogyny of the Democratic Party leadership?
As for myself, I am around her age. What has happened to her brings
up all the old wounds and disappointments and scars of my years in the
corporate world.
Posted by Terese
— Posted by Terese Loeb Kreuzer
2008
5:51 am
Wow,
that was really frank and certainly true. I think, for a lady that has
endured a “great husband” and some really “liberal media”, she deserves
a hell of a break. As you said, she may have lost the nomination
beacuse of Obama but the mainstream media stands exposed.
P.S: I am a southpark fan but that episode was really distasteful.
— Posted by Chaitanya Vardhan
2008
5:53 am
Well spoken.
— Posted by Inger
2008
5:56 am
You
make the mistake of conflating HRC with some kind of EveryWoman who
just happened to be running for prez. HRC pushes a lot of people’s
buttons, and a lot of that has little to do with the fact that she’s a
woman. Any man who was as aggressive and slimy as she was would still
be called on it. See Mitt Romney.
Plus, she was not too hesitant to play the race card herself (and
don’t say she didn’t—she implicitly and explicitly did so against Obama
several times). HRC is no victim, so quit casting her that way.
— Posted by c h r i s
2008
5:57 am
Thanks for the montage. I am showing my daughters.
— Posted by Liz
2008
6:04 am
Brava!~!
Thank you for illuminating these issues so well. …and while we are on
the subject. I thought that after the 9/11 attacks here in New York,
that this country would home in and that woman would get serious about
politics. Why haven’t more women gotten into politics? The women media
center brilliant video answers so much! I have a grown son who isn’t
concerned with fashion for the sake of attraction, lucky man! Wouldn’t
want to be a young woman today with the pressure to be so packaged.
Many well heeled woman today look like hookers. As a woman in her early
50’s; I am rejecting the Botox culture, going grey and not ruining my
feet with ridiculously high heels and I somehow look attractive and
feel empowered. I worked in a field dominated by men for well over a
decade and intentionally covered my cleavage so I would have a
conversation at work with someone looking into my eyes! I was respected
and was successful because I was equal to the task. I went through a
federal arbitration because a man at work smacked me in the face… and
won, he left his position of 20 years for trying to intimidate me out
of my job. I had threats from people in my union, both men and women
during the arbitration, but I prevailed in my dignity intact. How do
woman maintain the standard for beauty in this culture while also
putting enough money away for their old age…oh, that’s right, I’m the
only one aging, but I’ve got my long term insurance when I’ll need it.
Thank Goddess for Hillary’s pant suits, which are flattering and iconic
now.
— Posted by Kim
2008
6:04 am
I
agree with previous comment that it is pretty sad that no one is
willing to comment on such an important topic. It just illustrates the
blinders the national media, and seemingly the entire country, seems to
have put on with regards to the sexism towards Senator Clinton.
I also agree that if these same kind of comments had been made about
race and Senator Obama, there would be a national dialogue decrying it.
Where are all these women’s groups who are supposed to speak up for us
when we need them?? Where is Howard Dean and the DNC, who should call
out the media for their sexist coverage?? Perhaps if more women, and
high-profile men, spoke up, then journalists wouuld be forced to
confront this issue. Right now, they are getting a pass from BOTH men
and women (women who defend sexism by claiming that it’s just Senator
Clinton and these raunchy comments would not be made about any other
female candidate). It seems that these women have let their hatred of
Senator Clinton get in the way of objective reason as to the way the
national press has injected sexism into their coverage. I also wish
that high-profile supporters of Obama, such as Claire McGaskill and
others who are regularly on the news speaking for him, would also speak
about this topic to promote more awareness. They can disagree with
Clinton, and yet still decry sexism. Their silence has also added to
the acceptance of sexism. I feel that they have let us down because of
their own political ambitions. If a true Obama supporter spoke out
against sexism, perhaps more people would listen. Right now they are
just labeling Clinton supporters who speak out about it as radical
feminists.
The other day Glenn Beck said on his radio show that Clinton “has a
habit of trapping men,” when he talked about the buzz surrounding
Clinton as VP. Then the old cliche, you can’t live with them and can’t
live without them. He said she’s trapping Obama into picking her as VP
just like she trapped Bill Clinton, who needed her for various reasons
(does that make any sense??). Then he went on comparing her to
wives…some kind of rambling that I didn’t understand because it was
such twisted logic. So that was on the radio…but then why does CNN
Headline News give this guy his own show?? That just legitimizes
everything he says…which is obviously very sexist.
This has all left me feeling very demoralized like previous comment
said. Yes, I agree with the women who say that it’s ok to vote against
Senator Clinton and you don’t have to vote for her simply because she’s
a woman. That women have gone beyond their gender and do not have to
identify with it. But it is NOT OK to sit back and ignore HOW the press
and bloggers have treated Clinton, and it is NOT OK to give them a pass
on the overt and sexist way virtually every mainstream media
personality has treated her. You can disagree with her and yet still
speak up and defend all women. Just because you hate her doesn’t mean
that Chris Matthews, Tucker Carlson, Glenn Beck, Jack Cafferty, and
many many others who drive the national dialogue have the right to
belittle her in every way possible, and when supposed journalists don’t
report objectively and fairly.
— Posted by Alia
2008
6:04 am
What
you seem to be saying is, that to describe a man as a “redneck good ol’
boy”, or “geek hero”, or “macho idiot” is simply description, but
describing a woman as an “annoying shrew” or “nutcracker” is gender
bias.
Sorry, I’m not buying it.
— Posted by bob
2008
6:07 am
The
sexism cited in this posting is not a real reflection of the American
experience. With the possible exception of some hard working blue
collar men, almost all of us work with women every day. How is it
possible that the group of men we expect to be most sexist are the ones
who, according to the media, are part of her base?
The sexist comments from TV personalities are childish. We all
remember these guys from high school. They were the class clowns and
they’ve never grown up. Please don’t lump me in with them.
— Posted by Paul
2008
6:13 am
What
is surprising, I guess, from my perspective (another external observer
from the UK, but Italian and female) is the adolescent keenness of
younger feminists, as represented, for example, by the XX blog of
Slate, who lightheartedly contributed to what was clearly becoming a
misogynist discourse in the name of their own battle against their
mothers, among other things. I am 29 and I have a difficult and at
times suffocating mother, but it was clear to me that this particular
debate had taken a deeply disquieting tone. If anything, this campaign
(which I followed with real passion from my own faraway observatory)
helped me understand in a much more concrete way that sexism, like
racism, is a discourse that can be willingly adopted by its own
victims. Unlike racism, however, sexism is to an extent still
acceptable, and this has a lot to do with recent feminist or
postfeminist positions, of which Sex and the City is a vulgarization.
The gloriously bright side, though, is the incredible and stubborn
solidarity that women electors have shown, for the first time in
history perhaps, to a female candidate. There is hope!
— Posted by Serena
2008
6:14 am
Thanks…
I’m a 50 something male who has been shocked and outraged by the
horrific treatment that Hillary has received…. including the snideness
from the man I will (somewhat reluctantly) support for president… But,
apparently, dignity and mindless consumption are at odds…
Her long goodbye is a welcome indication that her sense of self has not been spoiled by the insults…
She knows who she is and will, defiantly, remain a model for males and females alike…
— Posted by f tripoli
2008
6:19 am
It’s
not that Ms Clinton is a woman that caused the criticism, it’s the Lee
Atwater-style dirty tricks she started using shortly after Edwards
dropped out. The Clintons clearly knew that negative campaigning would
backfire if there were three still in the race, because it would hurt
both her and the target while helping the third candidate, but that it
might help once there were only two remaining and she was behind.
It’s true that the tone of some of the criticism of her was sexist,
but it seems to me that if Obama’s opponent were a man, and ran the
same vicious campaign while maintaining that
butter-wouldn’t-melt-in-my-mouth who-me attitude, the backlash would
have been far stronger, just not sexist. The root of the problem is
that Hillary (and Bill) don’t seem able to play fair. They don’t even
recognize, any more, that there ARE rules of civilized behavior,
especially when you’re in a primary contest within your party.
For the vast majority of Democrats, it’s far more important that ANY
Democrat wins in November than which one actually does, but for Bill
and Hillary, any kind of whisper campaign is justified, even though
there are virtually no policy differences between her and Obama. Given
that, the only legitimate justification for preferring one candidate
over the other is, which would be more able to persuade the country to
enact those policies, by being more likely to be elected and to have
coattails long enough to bring solid majorities with him or her into
Congress.
Mitt Romney and, eventually, Mike Huckabee recognized this, and
promptly left the field open for McCain once it became clear that their
remaining in the race would hurt their party. They did this even though
they actually do have very strong policy differences with McCain and
represent very different wings of the Republican party. The question
is, why can’t we hold Hillary Clinton to the same standard we hold Mitt
Romney? Can anyone criticize St. Hillary, or any woman, without being
called sexist?
If Hillary was abiding by the rules that all Democrats want her to
follow – let the best one win, but ONE of us HAS to win in November, so
let’s both argue about how to beat McCain – I’d respect her. But some
Boomer women got so lost in seeing themselves in her that they stopped
seeing how destructive her campaign was.
It wasn’t McCain’s troops digging up, then fanning the Wright
brouhaha, it was the Clinton camp. It wasn’t McCain’s troops pointing
out, again and again, often in coded language, that ‘hard working white
people’ prefer Hillary, it was the Clinton camp. It wasn’t McCain’s
troops who whispered loudly that Obama doesn’t support Israel, it was
the Clintons. Hillary even said that McCain is qualified to be
President, and Obama isn’t. Some team player. (To be fair, it was
McCain’s people, or Republicans anyway, who tried to call Obama a
Muslim.)
Nearly all of this dirty whisper campaigning happened, incidentally,
after it was almost impossible, given the Democratic primary structure,
for Clinton to actually catch Obama in elected delegates, so the
Clintons kept trying to change the rules as well. Since caucus states
don’t get the numbers of ‘voters’ that primary states do, because it’s
a lot more work to attend a caucus, those states’ choices suddenly
don’t count as much as primary states – it’s all ‘popular vote.’ Even
rules that the Clintons themselves helped create back when they thought
they would help Hillary in her ‘inevitability’ campaign were suddenly
not fair, like automatic penalties for states that line jump in the
primary queue, if they didn’t help Hillary now.
She ran a Lee Atwater style campaign, after Edwards dropped out, but
no one is allowed to point out that her (Rev. Wright) version of those
Willie Horton ads is despicable, especially in a primary, and
especially against someone who isn’t fighting dirty back. We aren’t
allowed to point that out because she’s a woman, apparently.
By contrast, how often did the Obama camp point out that Ms Clinton
was actually a corporate lawyer for most of her pre-White House career,
and that she actually has far less direct experience in the political
arena than Barack does? That it was, in fact, largely her marriage to
the best politician of his generation, not her own abilities, that
brought her any chance at a Senate seat, and that the Evita-like
combination of the Clinton legacy, the Clinton machine and money, and
her gender are almost entirely responsible for her defeating far more
‘experienced’ politicians like Chris Dodd in the current campaign? That
this ‘too young and inexperienced’ Obama character is exactly the same
age Bill was at the same point in his career? That Hillary couldn’t
have been in the room for ANY of the Clinton administration’s major
defense or foreign policy discussions, or even read the briefing
papers, because she didn’t ask Bill for a security clearance? The Obama
people never mentioned any of that once that I know of. They never
mentioned it because they want to defeat the Republicans, not cut down
fellow Democrats.
It’s not that one candidate is male and the other female, it’s that
one has real integrity, is worthy of the Presidency, and the other…not
so much.
— Posted by Chris B
2008
6:20 am
If
one thing is perhaps even more shocking than the Chris Matthews of the
world, it is how difficult it is to find the point of view that Judith
Warner brings forward in this piece. How is this possible?
I don’t think anyone can argue with that video, it’s terrifying. Thanks for putting it out there.
— Posted by Carol Ann
2008
6:23 am
The last sentence says it all.
— Posted by chicodo
2008
6:26 am
I
heard a commentary yesterday on NPR, All Things Considered, from some
twit about how there has been no sexism against Hillary Clinton.
She went on to say that Hillary’s political experience pales in
comparison to that of any other experienced politician (so it is
disingenuous for her to criticize Obama’s lack of experience). She then
made a blatantly sexist remark that the only reason Hillary was elected
to the senate was because of her husband.
— Posted by Theo
2008
6:26 am
On the mark! Thank you
— Posted by Kath
2008
6:27 am
And I thought I was the only one who was noticing this. Thanks.
— Posted by Morag
2008
6:36 am
Two
steps forward and three steps back….thank you for your well-written
piece. In my 30s I had so much hope…now, nearing 50, cynicism is
curling up my edges.
— Posted by Elle
2008
6:40 am
If
women wish to make sexism the reason for Hillary Clinton’s failures,
fine. I would submit that there are plenty of women who have run for
public office who not have invited that kind of ridicule. Had Olympia
Snowe been running, there would have been far fewer jokes, sexist or
otherwise, I assure you.
Perhaps the nation’s most powerful women look twenty years younger
because they are. One of the mistakes the boomers have made is assuming
that they will not “within Time’s bending sickle’s compass come.” I
know boomer women have difficulty with the concept but it is time for a
new generation of leadership, not because boomer women (and men) have
wrinkles but because they have divided the nation long enough. The
actions of Mrs. Clinton and her supporters with their nasty contempt
for younger women are proof positive of why we need to move the country
beyond the boomers. It’s generation, not gender.
I know very few younger women who have not in the workplace
experienced the sexist contempt of women of Mrs. Clinton’s generation,
who presume that younger women haven’t paid their dues and so need to
be stomped on. Do not discount the role of woman-on-younger-woman
sexism in turning younger women away from Mrs. Clinton.
South Park is not a cultural barometer. It’s a crude silly cartoon
watched by a small segment of the population. Sex and the City is
likewise. Are there young men telling inappropriately crude jokes
because of South Park? Yes. More perniciously, are there young women in
debt because they think they need Blahnik’s ludicrously destructive
shoes? Yes. I am always humiliated by the emphasis on stuff in Sex and
the City. It is a terrible message to young women about self-worth and
I’m not about to see that movie and give the people peddling that
message a dime.
Mrs. Clinton can take pride in her accomplishments. In fairness,
those crying sexism should talk about Mrs. Clinton’s use of her gender
as a shield. It would have been a rare man who indulged himself in that
moment of Lesley Gore-style revenge on Tuesday night. “It’s my party
and I’ll cry if I want to” is a very sexist way to approach the world.
An adult would have congratulated the man and let him have his moment;
instead she behaved like a petulant child throwing a tantrum at a
sibling’s birthday party.
Mrs. Clinton used to sexism to her advantage — she could say
anything, but Mr. Obama was constrained from attacking because (as Ms.
Brazile said) he cannot as a black man be anything but gentle toward a
white woman. Furthermore, a man who had no mathematical way to catch up
would have been pressured out of the race by the party. She was not.
Her gender cut both ways and it is dishonest to pretend otherwise.
— Posted by Marce
2008
6:43 am
Thank
you, Judith. You put into words what I, as a college undergrad and
American female, have been feeling about our country’s current, general
attitude toward women.
— Posted by Britain
2008
6:48 am
Thanks.
I thought I was the only one flumoxed by the visceral woman-hating of
folks who despise Hillary. I’ve never supported her because of her
stand on the war, her inability to say she was wrong, and the nagging
feeling that the first serious female candidate shouldn’t be somebody’s
relative, just as this president shouldn’t be where he is because of
his name. This campaign has shown that it really is harder to be taken
seriously as a woman than as a black man.
As a recently retired high school teacher, I can attest to the many
young women who are empowered by their education, but many more who are
confused by the entertainment media’s trivialization of women.
— Posted by Helen Goldman
2008
6:50 am
This
issue remains invisible to most people in America, including most
women, so-called “liberal” women included. After watching the media
gleefully destroy Hillary Clinton with full-bore, relentless
misogynistic attacks for over a year now, and no one saying anything,
I’m shell shocked.
Moving through this shock, I am left feeling that addressing the
misogyny in our culture is more important than who gets control of the
White House in 2009. I can not believe I feel this way. I’m so angry at
everyone who promoted and allowed this — the media and the Democratic
Party primarily — that I feel like voting against Obama in order to
make the point and make them feel the pain that they have caused us. It
is not about whether Hillary got nominated. It’s about the misogynistic
way they destroyed her. It could have been any woman.
— Posted by jh
2008
6:50 am
Like
many men, I have probably been too quick to dismiss some of the
misogynistically based attacks that were leveled against Senator
Clinton during the recent primary campaign. As such, I thank Ms. Warner
for her thoughtful and intellectually provocative essay. Her criticisms
of the recently released film version of Sex and the City are certainly
well placed. (Frank Rich: Are you listening?)
Nonetheless, I think that much of the venom that was directed
against Senator Clinton (even if it was cloaked in inappropriate,
gender based expressions) actually arose from the actions of her
husband, especially during and after the South Carolina primary.
Speaking only for myself I must say that prior to that primary I was
relatively indifferent as to whether Senator Clinton or Senator Obama
won the election. (Yes, I voted for Obama on Super Tuesday, but if HRC
had gone on to win the most delegates, I wouldn’t have had an ounce of
disappointment.) I was excited by the fact that both of the Democratic
front runners were pushing the envelope of what was politically
possible in America: for women and for people of color.
Ironically, I think Senator Clinton’s fatal mistake was her reliance
on her husband. She was, free of him, a far stronger and more appealing
candidate than she was when tethered to him and his unique record and
manner of acting. I don’t believe this choice to trust in her husband
(and his entourage) had anything to do with her gender, but I do
believe it mortally wounded her campaign. None of which excuses the
kind of sexist hatred which Ms. Warner cites. Still, the reality of
Senator Clinton’s defeat probably, at the end of the day, owes much
more to Bill Clinton’s failings than to anything that is gender
related.
— Posted by Bill Wood
2008
6:50 am
Thanks for this article; it addresses so many issues.
I have a problem with it, however, in the sense that I don’t think
the author has written an accurate portrayal of the climate in which we
live – or at least, not accurate if women provide a major influence on
the climate.
Like most of my close friends, I am in my twenties, a feminist, and
have spent many years building up my resume to embark on a meaningful
and hopefully successful career. We are all aware of how much effort
and strength it took women in previous generations to achieve the
rights we enjoy today, we are grateful, and we are worried at the
willingness, sometimes, of our current generation to rest on the
laurels of those gains.
Some of us supported Clinton. Some of us supported Obama. We all went to see “Sex and the City.”
The point I’ll make, briefly, is that while the misogynistic
comments (quotes all from men in this article) made about Hillary and
her campaign are deeply disturbing, I don’t believe that the greater
problem is as pervasive as the author imagines. “Sex” did big at the
box office but it’s useless as a measure of gauging the state of
feminism today. Most of the women who went to see it didn’t take it
seriously; we know that most women are not like that and probably
should not be like that. My friends and I watched, discussed, and
resumed our normal lives: as law students, med students, investment
bankers, assistants as non-profits, etc. Most women want other women to
succeed and they can separate fantasy from reality. Being an engaged
citizen, supporting Clinton, and standing first in line to see “Sex”
again for the second time…these are not mutually exclusive.
So if women are as much the drivers of culture as men – as I believe
they are – the situation may not be as dire as it would seem.
— Posted by April
2008
6:53 am
Well said..
— Posted by Linda
2008
6:55 am
Well said!
— Posted by Brenda
2008
6:56 am
As
revolting as these moments of grotesque vulgarity and misogyny are, we
cannot dissociate the mistakes of the Clinton campaign from the
anti-campaign of her enemies, just as we cannot dissociate Obama’s
mistakes regarding Rev. Wright from his racist detractors, however much
you may want to sweep those mistakes aside.
Clinton turned this campaign into a referendum on the question of
whether America was ready to elect a woman from day one of her campaign
by advertising herself as ‘Hillary’. She further made the issue of her
persona as First Wronged Lady into the central subtext of the campaign,
dragging her ever penitent husband around the country like a toy
soldier.
Clinton’s campaign (I refuse to buy into her own self-defeating
self-promotion as ‘Hillary’) created the subtext that made those of us
who wanted to focus on her issues focus instead on her personality, her
gender, and her victimhood. In this sense, her campaign’s mistakes
should be considered along with the misogyny that permeated her more
rabid enemies.
One reason, I believe, that Obama won this closely contested
nomination may be that whereas he tried to place himself in the context
of an America trying to find a more reflective, more mature response to
racial tension, Clinton constantly reminded us of the worst aspects of
American misogyny. She never helped us to see her, or ourselves,
differently, and so we did not.
None of this suggests that she ‘deserved to lose’, as you dismiss
such criticism in your preamble to this otherwise on point critique of
the relationship between the campaign and misogyny. Just because you
dismiss the link here doesn’t mean that we need not consider it.
Indeed, the very fact that we don’t want to look at it (lest we be
charged with harboring notions that ’she deserved it’, itself an old
misogynist canard leveled at any woman raped in a dark, isolated place
or perhaps dressed a bit too provocatively) may indicate the very need
for us to assess the connection with the same seriousness as we
consider how Sex and the City (which I’ve never seen nor have any
desire to see, but I am willing to take Ms Warner’s word for it) so
perfectly mirrors the campaign to bring Hillary Clinton and her
campaign into the same vulgar gutter.
Clinton’s campaign was doomed to this nasty confrontation with
American misogyny from the day she decided to base her political career
on being ‘Hillary’ rather than being the transformational politician
she wrote of in her college years. Had she run as the woman who lived
out that identity rather than as merely ‘Hillary’, I believe she would
have won — and she would have led a far more authentic confrontation
with the Sex and the City crowd, not to mention the folks who made
these other unspeakable things.
Clinton was ever campaigning on her personality: Hillary the woman,
Hillary the victim of the most public adulterer in America, Hillary the
victim of a vast conspiracy, Hillary the good Christian (as opposed to
Obama the Black Liberation Theology Christian), Hillary the White. We
cannot dissociate those decisions from the reaction, as you would have
us, because she never let us dissociate those things from her campaign.
Clinton ran as ‘Hillary’ and never let us forget it and just focus on the issues — and so we didn’t.
Craig Hanoch
— Posted by Craig Hanoch
2008
6:58 am
So
happy to see that you’re back, and what a great post to start back
with. Portions of your thoughts have been swirling around in my head
since “Sex” was released, and it’s nice to read a post like this that
addresses what’s going on with us culturally.
— Posted by Alex S.
2008
7:01 am
Finally. Thank you.
— Posted by pamela
2008
7:03 am
That
was so right on! Encore, encore! It is certainly critical to stand up
to big media networks that sell hateful, idiotic messages. It would be
good investigate the role of humor/comedy in this phenomenon. They way
that conservatives have finally (after centuries) managed to
appropriate humour as a political weapon. In what way is their humor
funny, what sort of humor is it? What are good ways confront it?
— Posted by Jaynu S.
2008
7:04 am
The
NYT should put this on the front page. Women don’t seem to realize that
the way Clinton was treated was not about Clinton but about our gender.
Clinton was an easy target because she had so much baggage, and somehow
that seemed to excuse the media attacks on her. But issues like
appearance, who one’s husband/father was and perception of toughness,
are always raised with respect to female candidates and used to
marginalize them.
— Posted by Kathleen Newman
2008
7:05 am
thanks for the insights, especially to the links.
however,
all woman over 35 don’t necessarily have belly’s, even “real women.”
After all, couldn’t a woman want to ‘feel’ and look fit just for
themselves? Isn’t that the point of all this?
— Posted by ronald spagne
2008
7:06 am
Let
me point out that is is not men that are going to “Sex and the City” in
droves, and I think you can find a number of nasty things said about
Hillary by female commentators. So please keep the blame on this
“zeitgeist” don’t be too quick to put the blame on us men!
— Posted by Larry King
2008
7:08 am
Thank you.
As much as I like Sex and the City, I like REAL women, like you and Hillary, much much more.
Hillary deserves everyone’s respect for for brave and amazing
campaign for democratic nominee! Whether you agree with her or like
her, at least give her (and your sisters, mothers, grandmothers,
daughters, friends, yourself) your respect!
— Posted by Rachel
2008
7:13 am
I’ve
been furious over the almost complete absence of these issues in the
media since February! Thank you for adding your point of view to fill
out that of a much larger collective that I hope will make itself heard
(somehow, through the deafness of the media) in the near future.
-Wendy
— Posted by W. Skratt
2008
7:14 am
While
I do not object in the least to comments on the way that patriarchy
played into the race, I think we would all do well to remember bell
hooks’ famous phrase “white supremacist capitalist patriarchy.” It does
no good to compare sexism to racism, with monied white women standing
in for all women and black men standing in for all people of African
descent. Ms. Warner should have noticed that few to no nonwhite women
make the facile comparison between racism and sexism. For white women
to claim that sexism is worse is, unfortunately, just rampant
self-pity.
Ms. Warner should note that, whatever talk Driving While Black has
generated, the Justice Department as recently as August 2005 found that
blacks and Latinos were still being pulled over disproportionately. And
Senator Obama was dogged by attempts to characterize him as a/nother
needlessly angry black man and an affirmative action baby. Instead of
speculating what “would” have happened “if” racism affected this
campaign, why not point out the ways in which it did? It would seem
that because in Ms. Warner’s world, like that of the Sex and the City
protagonists, race is a one-episode deal when Blair Underwood moves
into the co-op, or Jennifer Hudson pops in for no other reason than to
be black and female in a story that’s really all about monied white
women.
As unwieldy as the phrase might be, white supremacist capitalist
patriarchy is real. And until we start naming it as such, examining our
own roles in perpetuating it (regardless of what body we occupy), and
dismantling the way it has ordered our thought and our institutions,
we’ll all be subject to it.
— Posted by mg77
2008
7:16 am
Hmmm…
I quite agree with Warner about the obnoxious use of and, worse,
tolerance of stereotyping slurs of all kinds. Unfortunately, there are,
however minuscule and irrelevant, real (even if perhaps never “true”)
bases for them.
Women in the US have an unfortunate paucity of leadership roll
models. The most visible leadership roll model is that of the powerful
mother and/or wife. It should not be surprising, then, that the methods
of leadership sometimes employed by women are those of the mother or
wife. It should also not be surprising that men, with their dog-like
brains and responses, should react to a woman’s voice with a
conditioned response as mindless as did Pavlov’s dogs to a bell.
The problem does not lie solely on one side or the other, but rather
with the culture that locks people into a framework of responses. What
is needed is a truly extraordinary woman who is able to interact with
the public and peers with dignity and class, who presents a
convincingly honest facade (for it is always only the facade that we
see), who has built a career without dependency on any real or
insinuated patronage, and who also projects a sense of humane (not
motherly) tolerance.
Clinton received many mean and scurrilous kicks during the campaign,
but… she was a vulnerable target. She was vulnerable because of the way
she presents herself and because of her background. And there’s is
nothing a talking head loves more than a vulnerable candidate – it’s
the bully in them that they can’t seem to resist, not least for fear
that other talking heads (and their bosses) might think them weak.
The hurdle for a woman to reach the presidency is very high, but it
is at least as high for an African-American. Obama (so far) has shown
himself to be a class act. It is because of this that he has won the
nomination. Whatever comes next, it would be well for women who seek to
break the appalling barriers they face to emulate the leadership style
of Senator Obama.
(And on a personal note, I find it hard to take seriously anybody
wearing an electric blue pantsuit, jewelry bling and face paint – stems
from my old egalitarianism days, I guess. Women of the world! Eschew
slavery to fashion and “feminine” iconography. Find a universally
accepted conservative business uniform and short haircut, wear it
always, and give up the jewelry and face paint in any business
environment.)
— Posted by OldStone50
2008
7:16 am
Thank you. I have been enlightened and I feel shame.
— Posted by Bill
2008
7:17 am
All
so well said. And having seen the misogyny pouring out of Obama
supporters, even supposed ‘men of God,’ the challenge many of us face
is finding any will to vote democratic. I mostly want to forget the
inevitability of a male president.
— Posted by ajj
2008
7:18 am
A
lot of the same women who supported Hillary, loved the movie. Hillary
appeals to our serious side; the movie and its protagonists, our
hedonistic side. Nothing wrong with being multi-dimentional!
— Posted by lea
2008
7:21 am
This
is one of the more insightful postings that I have read concerning this
election. I found it interesting Judith described Hillary’s campaign as
floundering when she has more popular votes than Obama. It has been
infuriating to watch the media coronation of Obama whose baggage the
Republicans will put to good use during the summer and fall.
I was never a fan of the “Sex” series. None of the characters interested me enough to invest my time and energy in it.
In the 1970s and 1980s women were concerned about being taken
seriously and dressing to be successful and effective. Now I see women
wearing stilletos.
At the time when women were trying to gain the right to vote in the
19th and 20th century, their efforts were denigrated because how could
you expect women to handle the serious responsibility of voting when
they were so interested in something so frivolous as fashion. (See a
book called “Queen Victoria’s Secrets” for a good view of the attitude
of the time.)
I am convinced that one reason Hillary appealed to older voters was
because we have experienced the “give it to him, he’s the boy” attitude
within while growing up.
And it seems that with the emphasis on fashion over substance the Victorian critics may have a point.
— Posted by Marla
2008
7:21 am
I
am constantly bemused by the casual equivalence made by many of
mistreatment of some groups with the mistreatment of blacks. To say
that anti-feminist slurs and slights are morally equivalent to racial
slurs and slights is sophistry. The experience of women in the history
of this nation has no comparison with the history of the experience of
blacks.
The worldview that casually equates all forms of slurs and slights
without regard to context is shallow and ultimately useless. We have to
learn to make distinctions based on a mature understanding of the
issues and the consequences. If all such behavior is equated, than no
such behavior can be singled out as having any particular claim to
legitimacy.
I can make jokes about women because after all I’m married to one. Making jokes about blacks is a different thing entirely.
— Posted by Orin Hollander
2008
7:24 am
Does
this attitude prevail only in American culture, exclusive of those
cultures that sanction physical atrocities against women. Why is it so
difficult to accept a woman as a leader regardless of level? These same
issues exist regardless of level i.e local government, community
boards, state, etc.
And, horror of horrors, women are there own worst enemies. I do not have the answer, but would love to hear one or two.
I have never considered myself a feminist, just a humanist!
— Posted by elizabeth
2008
7:24 am
I
have been trying to explain to my husband who supposedly hates Hillary
for her “policies” (every one of which he supports) and her character
(some as yet unexplained hatred of the military that occurred 15 years
ago) why this race has been so misogynistic. He doesn’t get it. He’s
not the MOST enlightened guy in the world, but he’s not stupid. I can’t
really figure out why he can’t get it.
It leaves me dazed.
As far as we have come, we have not come very far at all.
— Posted by dejah
2008
7:26 am
You
said! Last Friday night I thought I walked into a wormhole – women were
dressed up in Sex and the City garb, and women made lines around the
movie theaters where that movie was playing. Thank you for saying it
like it is that Sexism is alive more than ever!!!
It’s not jut men undermining women….
— Posted by SL
2008
7:26 am
Welcome back!!
While I don’t disagree that the media, by and large, said things
about her that they would never have said about a Obama, I wonder how
much of the Hilary-bashing was helped along by Senator Clinton’s
constant victimization of herself? For a while it seemed like “I am a
victim of …” was her default stance. It is a large part why I couldn’t
support her.
“No one can make you feel inferior without your consent.” Eleanor Roosevelt
— Posted by NYMoM
2008
7:28 am
Well-said
Judith. In watching the reactions to Hillary, I’ve been saddened by how
little progress we’ve made as women. How difficult it is to be who we
are without some man (or woman) trying to put us back into a Stepford
Wives 1950’s box.
— Posted by Ariella
2008
7:29 am
It
is interesting how you note that if this same treatment had been given
to Obama the country would be flipping out. A (male) friend made this
same point a few years ago when the amish school children were taken
hostage, all of the boys sent outside, and all of the girls murdered.
Not only is misogyny alive and well, it is still politically correct.
Not until good and decent men stand up and say enough is enough, will
this continue. If you think racism is wrong, you have an obligation to
stop sexism as well.
-Diana Friedman
— Posted by Diana
2008
7:30 am
For
street-cred establishing data points, I’ll mention that my mom had a
wonderful career, my sisters are professionals, and all of the women
I’ve ever been involved with are capable, and comfortable expressing
their strongly held opinions. I’m not attracted, otherwise. Now, I
couldn’t stand Ms. Clinton’s voice. That’s in the past tense because a
few months ago, she seems to have really made an effort to keep her
pitch in a lower register. But an irritating quality still remains. She
speaks her run on sentences so
slowly-and-deliberately,..,bobbing-her-head-up-and-down,
with-a-repetitive-two-note-cadence,
and-with-her-eyes-held-wiiiiide-open,…
she-sounds-like-she’s-reading-stories-to-five-year-oud-children,
here-in-our-great-country-of-the-United-States-of-America-which-is-why-she’s-running-for-president-of-The-United-States-Of-America-in-our-great-country!
Please, this is not sexism. I hate John McCain’s voice, too!
— Posted by Roy Pertchik
2008
7:30 am
The
attacks on Hillary Clinton are shameful. You are right. But I don’t
think a movie being popular reflects the political zeitgeist.
Everything isn’t about feminism.
Your valid, important points are cheapened by the assessment of Sex
and the City. And once I got to this line: “Yes, a gut, girls, like
yours and mine and that of virtually any real woman who’s over 35, or
has had children, or has something more important to do than full-time
Pilates,” I started to forget the first shocking paragraphs of the
essay. Perhaps women need to stop hating each other first, making
claims over who is and isn’t “more real” before we can expect men to
fall in step
— Posted by Tanya
2008
7:31 am
Thank
you! (NY Times has been blocking my posts in other instances as my
opinions violated posting rules, so to prevent that here, I will just
limit myself to) THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU!!!
— Posted by Brenda
2008
7:31 am
I
completely agree that Hillary Clinton seems to be a lightning rod for
all of the culturally accepted mysogeny in our country. However, I’m
very concerned that this seems to be taken by many as a reason not to
support Obama. These are two separate issues and it would be quite
dangerous to confuse them.
— Posted by Jessica
2008
7:31 am
Thank you.
— Posted by Leeann
2008
7:32 am
My
wife has the London Time subscription, I have the NYT. I’ll share this
with her. What an outrage! Living abroad, I had no idea how depraved
Fox and NMC are!
Thank you for this article.
— Posted by Ken
2008
7:32 am
it
is hillary clinton’s personality which makes her an unacceptable
president, not her gender. she is the product of a perfectionistic
father to whom she has tried to prove she is good enough all her life.
her personality makes her rageful and unable to admit she has made a
mistake(vote for the war). in all this she is too similar to, although
smarter than, bush. for all her intellect, she lacks the emotional
intelligence to be president. what a choice we would have had – between
two rageaholics – if she and mcain had both been nominated. it is a
shame that her personality has emboldened the mysogynists as pointed
out in the article. just as jackie robinson/obama are the right black
standardbearers, woman need a better representative to make some long
overdue history.
— Posted by dennis black
2008
7:33 am
Sex
& the City is idiotic–I once watched a small portion of the TV show
while on a plane to Europe and couldn’t understand why it was so
popular. Sarah Jessica Parker is way over-exposed and over-hyped. I
watched the montage: people actually say these things and get away with
it? Why are they still on the air?
— Posted by A Hominid
2008
7:33 am
Judith,
You touched a nerve. Lucky are the women who don’t live with the
constant undertones of misogyny in their lives. The excuse for Hillary
is that she’s — Hillary. Nonsense. Imus was called to task for his
words, but Tucker Carlson and his ilk get away with it? No one deserves
that kind of treatment. Not enough outrage…
— Posted by Katy
2008
7:33 am
I
ultimately supported Obama in this election, but I too was disturbed by
the way Hillary was often treated and referred to by many Obama
supporters (and people in general). She may have certain shortcomings
as a person (her voice, for instance, I find somewhat grating as an
aesthetic matter, and the accompanying regional-based changing of
accents is pandering and offensive) but she was an entirely worthy
candidate for president. Had things turned out differently, I would
have been honored to support her.
People are entitled to like Hillary or not like her on her merits
both politically and personally, but all too often in this campaign,
that crossed a line into something else. She tread a very difficult
path, and I hope that she is not the last woman in my lifetime to have
a shot at being, or ultimately be, the president.
— Posted by JLB
2008
7:33 am
In
my opinion, there is more than a little irony to the fact that the
first serious female candidate for the Presidency is married to a
former president who is a proven sexual predator. A woman friend of
mine who worked in the Clinton campaign in Ohio hinted at the same
thing that Todd Purdum suggested in his recent piece in Vanity Fair: to
wit, that hubby Bill is still sleazing his way around from one lady to
the next. How can Hillary’s supporters justify their outrage at the
sexist way she has been treated when they maintain a conspiracy of
silence about her husband’s sexual peccadilloes? Remember Paula Jones?
She was a woman too, wasn’t she?
— Posted by Dale Janowski
2008
7:36 am
Every
Obama supporter (and I’m one) should watch that Youtube montage. It’s
devastating. I’m still happy that Obama is the nominee, and I remain
more than a little fatigued by the Clintons (Bill more than Hillary).
But I now much more fully understand the anger of a lot of Clinton’s
supporters. Very, very sad. I’d love to hear a follow-up on what
well-meaning people–in particular, well-meaning Obama supporters–can do
to help bring healing.
— Posted by JMN
2008
7:37 am
The more things change, the more they stay the same. 1970’s all over again.
— Posted by Tulip39
2008
7:37 am
I find your self victimization, and Hillary’s as well, simply to be self serving and ultimately, untrue.
As a middle aged white male, I found that Mrs. Clinton never seemed
to be speaking to me or to the broad concerns of Americans. She was
always “on point” to a mind numbing extent, and seems incapable of any
admission of error or graciousness towards her opponents.
As David Geffen has reportedly said, the Clintons lie too easily.
This is the reason she is not the nominee, and not some irreverent
South Park episode.
In my view, Hillary has played every rauchy, racist, and paranoid
card she possibly could play. And her husband has been an absolute
discrace through this campaign.
If a woman wishes to take on the mantle of high political office in
an intelligent manner, shouldn’t she have a maturity beyond these
tactics and superficialities?
I’m sorry, but at the end of the campaign I saw Hillary as paranoid,
self serving, and dishonest in her commitments to her espoused
principles.
Should I cast a vote for such a person?
Don’t we already have such a person in the White House named George W. ?
Your opinions do not ring true for me.
— Posted by James Mills
2008
7:37 am
I
have two daughters and as I watched the media allow and encourage the
misogyny and sexism directed toward the Hillary camp I was ashamed.
what sort of society are my daughters to grow up in? I tell them they
can do anything, be anything in their life. But it is not true.
Society, both men and women will not want them to become powerful or
successful. Rather, they should work hard, but not too hard, study, but
not too hard, and get those botox injections when they turn 27.
— Posted by Tom
2008
7:43 am
Nicely done. Sadly, “she asked for it” still captures the temper of the times.
— Posted by Barbara Stengel
2008
7:45 am
I
may not yet be 35, or have children, but it worries me deeply that it
is widely accepted in society and by the media that being cute and
sweet is more likely to lead to a successful life than being smart,
healthy, hard-working and independent.
I wouldn’t define myself a feminist per se, and I am also not a fan
of Hillary Clinton. But to me it’s all about – the apparent lack of -
(self-)respect. Much of that has to do with the image created by the
media, and the women that allow such image to take center stage. To
oppose it, some women with a healthy dose of common sense should stand
up and make it clear that there should be more ways to be successful as
a woman than either one of these options: 1) to sleep with your boss
(or any other rich, successful man), or 2) just pretend to be a
“castrating” semi-man.
— Posted by Karin
2008
7:45 am
I’m
older than Miranda and I’m afraid all I can say is …you’re surprised?
Yes, it is socially acceptable to make sexist remarks. Yes, an
ambitious woman is anathema. Yes, you and your younger sisters are
partly to blame – you thought the battle was won and the old time
feminist sensibilities were quaint and …and….and… It may be past time
for open public sexism to go the way of open public racism, but it
hasn’t gone there yet. Columns like this are heartening to those of us
who are already converted but how will we reach the troglodytes?
— Posted by MaryKate Owens
2008
7:46 am
Thank
you for the profoundly thoughtful article. The film montage link is
reference enough to back up everything you say, and also explains what
drives some of the anger Hillary’s supporters. I have watched the
primaries rabidly, and while aware of both sexism and racism that faces
these two candidates, I had missed most of the egregious examples
posted on the clip, and I am thunderstruck.
I will be sending this link on to friends, and I hope it will begin circulating as a point of dialogue.
— Posted by Rick
2008
7:47 am
Absurd.
I disliked Hillary as a candidate because she LACKED earnestness. I
cannot forgive her for her vote to authorize the war in Iraq. Hers was
not an earnest act; it was an expedient one.
Please spare me the rhetoric. I would love to have a woman in the
White House. But allow some of us men to reject this particular one on
our perception of her merits, or lack thereof. I am not Tucker Carlson,
for God’s sake. And lumping me in with him makes you as asinine and
simplistic as he.
Katherine Sibelius for VP.
— Posted by keyofme
2008
7:49 am
Let
me begin by telling you that when I entered graduate school in
economics in 1967, there were only 5 women in a class of 75 and only 2
of those were candidates for the Ph.D as opposed to terminal masters.
And when I became a full professor in 1985, only 80 women (and 3000
men) were full professors of economics. So I have been there. and my
advice to all of the women who are suffering because of comments in the
MSM about Sen. Clinton is “Breathe, relax, let go.”
Pain is real. Not getting the key assignment, not getting the
promotion causes real disappointment and pain. But the story made up in
the mind about the event, and the recruitment of allies, and the
complaining: all that is suffering and it is chosen–not real. And it is
a waste of energy–energy that could be used to improve performance that
extra 5 percent, that could be used to rest the mind so the snappy
comeback happens when it is needed, that could be used in fun with
friends and family and charity to strangers. And worse: when women
suffer, the inflictors of pain win. The suffering of offended women
gives them attention and energy follows attention. Breathe, relax, let
go. Living well, with energy focussed on your intentions and goals, is
the best you can do for yourself and the world.
— Posted by Michelle
2008
7:49 am
Excellent
post….I am a 55 year old mother and grandmother….and have been saddened
at the turn our culture has taken in the past 20 years. I have raised 3
daughters in this climate…and it has not been easy. It is astonishing
to me that so many women of my age group seem to be ignorant of this
cultural climate. What has happened is a loss of basic values…..when
did it become acceptable to disrespect a person because she is a woman?
How did we devolve into a culture where youth, appearance and money
become our most valued attributes? I know that there are many women in
the affluent suburban area where I live who have not read a book in
years and are real life “Stepford Wives”. It is amazing to me. that
this has happened. I remember a time when being well informed and
intelligent mattered more than a perfect body. I am an Obama supporter,
but these attacks on Hillary have left me outraged. They are a
reflection of our societal sickness.
— Posted by nancy
2008
7:50 am
Thank
you Judith – a very well written, insightful and accurate article. Am
surprised this has gone unnoticed by the army of KoolAid drinkers who
abound in the millions ready to pounce on phrase or sentence that could
even remotely be considered as fair to Sen Clinton.
I am a life long Democrat, college educated working professional
Male. And this year, I am so thoroughly disgusted by the treatment
meted out to Sen Clinton by the media, her own party establishment and
scores of Obamabots, that I will either stay at home in November or
seriously consider voting for Sen McCain. I refuse to be an accomplice
when a far less experienced and less qualifed man has yet again beat a
far more competent and more qualified woman for a job.
— Posted by Jay Kaimal
2008
7:51 am
Judith,
Very glad to see your column again. It is the best assessment of the
misogyny that has prevailed during the Clinton campaign. Thank you for
identifying the real situation. I think you are the most important
Op-Ed writer working today and look forward to seeing more Op-Ed
writers nationwide with your gender and point of view.
— Posted by Susan Wilson
2008
7:51 am
Welcome
back and thank you. An Obama supporter myself, I have at times been
moved to change just because of this ugly Hillary misogyny. It is
insupportable.
— Posted by Denise
2008
7:52 am
Thank
God SOMEBODY finally commented on this issue. One of the worst things
still, in my mind, is that a woman has to out-man the men to succeed,
and then she becomes unattractive or unappealing because she is not
womanly enough. Women cannot win — there is such an impossible double
standard where we are damned if we do, and damned just as much if we do
the opposite.
For women who work in primarily male-dominated fields, we still have
to just “suck it up” and face the daily onslaught of crude humor, etc.,
and be tough, gain their respect enough so that they just quit hassling
you. It’s sophomoric, but seems to be the way men work. You don’t have
to lose your class, but you do have to prove your competence.
What gets me in this race is that Obama never did prove his
competence in any other way than some inspiring speeches. Clinton has a
lot of drawbacks as well, especially her polarizing presence, but at
least she is detail-oriented and a real powerhouse. But what about all
the other more truly QUALIFIED candidates, who were forced to drop out
early in the race? The ones with many more years of experience in
diplomacy, economic growth, anti-poverty, etc? Why is it two of the
least qualified candidates are the ones who made it all the way to the
end? Until the American people quit being hypnotised by TV, talk radio,
and other sleazy media, we will never have a decent politician ever
again.
— Posted by Ellen Santistevan
2008
7:52 am
thank you!
it is frustrating that the same supposedly enlightened people who
tut tut when obama is described as “articulate” don’t afford hillary
the same kind of respect.
i get it that people want desperately to distance themselves from
the ugly scar of slavery. but is it so much to ask that while members
of the media vigilantly monitor their racist tendencies, they keep
their sexist ones in check too?
— Posted by patty
2008
7:52 am
Engaging in a form of writing therapy regarding the perceived unfairness and ills of politics and life in general has its place.
But since we have no control over what others think, say or do, and
ultimately can only change ourselves…..everything you bring up really
raises a more basic & substantial question: are you or am I sexist,
biased, prejudiced, superficial, too critical or judgmental.
And if so, can we authentically try and change ourselves.
— Posted by RF
2008
7:55 am
Thank
you for your insightful analysis, something lacking from the NYT during
this entire campaign for the Democratic nominee. How many times did
Barack make front page VISUAL coverage looking presidential while some
headline denounced Hillary as a fighter WITH NO VISUAL. This erasure
coupled with the sly choice of words to describe her by NYT male
reporters continued to shock me until I thought I was numbed to it all.
But, no, the NYT got in the final dig. She made the cover on super
Tuesday gazing lovingly up at her husband, Bill, who took center stage.
The NYT couldn’t have staged it better.
— Posted by Connie Griffin
2008
7:57 am
As
a father of two adult daughters, both of whom follow politics closely,
and one of whom was very sad when Clinton’s campaign ended, I can only
say your article was long overdue. I am surprised at the number of
female columnists who really think there will not be a strong attempt
to make the story of Clinton’s defeat that a woman cannot win the
presidency and then use that argument to try to deny future female
candidates a run at the White House as a matter of “being realistic.”
— Posted by Frank
2008
8:00 am
Judith,
This
commentary is spot-on. One of the things I’ve been thinking about is
that while most of “the Ladies” of SATC apparently have jobs (how else
to afford those shoes, those clothes, those cocktails?), none of them
actually participate in the “public” realm—specifically, in politics.
Instead, their focus is on the private realm—the traditional arena for
“good girls.”
Of course, this is “just entertainment,” but when held up in such stark
contrast to the real life drama of Hillary’s campaign (and the response
to it), I agree that it tells us much about how we are seen, about our
position in society.
Thanks for this very thought-provoking piece of work.
Elizabeth Hilts
— Posted by Elizabeth HIlts
2008
8:02 am
Judith,
great job. I have lost all respect for the likes of Chris Matthews.
These commentators didn’t criticize Hillary’s position on issues, but
rather joined in snide and inappropriate remarks. I have a PhD and like
designer shoes, too. I have no interest in seeing “Sex and the City.”
It looks like a pretty, lame movie.
Laura
— Posted by Laura
2008
8:03 am
The
US continues to be in the dark ages relative to much of the world on
many issues – be it rate of incarceration, or capital punishment, or
health care etc .. and this year it has proved yet again how anti women
America is in how much sexism and mysogyny continues to be acceptable
practise in media, in politics and in society at large. After what
Senator Clinton had to go through, will any woman in either party want
to put herself through this any time soon – I dont think so.
Contrast that with some of the countries around the world yet have
had women leaders over many many years – Argentina, Bangladesh,
Germany, India, Israel, Malaysia, New Zealand, Philippines, Sri Lanka,
UK the list goes on. But after 200+ years as a nation, America seems
far from ready to allow a Woman to lead – no matter that she is easily
the most qualified in the field.
Shame !
— Posted by Jay Kaimal
2008
8:03 am
Sex and the City was popular before Hillary decided to run for President.
From day to day the culture doesn’t change much, and these flashes
in the pan, which you are trying to create, don’t really exist. It is
just part of the cycle of lunacy which we call America. And let’s not
forget that elections ARE a popularity contest, so vile and hate-filled
descriptions of candidates is the norm. Whether you pick on sexuality,
mannerism, height, nose size, etc., it is all part of the same
continuum. While certain words are politically incorrect in the land of
free speech, this essay is a classic “much ado about nothing.” It is a
good snapshot, but a poor analysis.
— Posted by steve Consilvio
2008
8:04 am
Such
immature hyperbole is usually reserved for the pages of Ivy League
student newspapers, where faux intellectuals in the 1990s tried to make
wholesale changes to society by labeling those with differing views as
racist, sexist and homophobic. Most learned, particularly after
consecutive losses by Al Gore and John Kerry to the unintelligent and
unqualified George W. Bush, that condescension, name-calling and
arbitrary claims of victimization were ineffective vehicles for change
of any kind. The writer clearly did not learn that lesson and that is
why her column fails.
— Posted by TS Fried
2008
8:04 am
I
agree with everything you said above. What makes me sad is that all
these pieces on the terrible anti-women behavior that we have seen
during this campaign are being written now, after Clinton’s campaign is
over. No one had the courage to take on the issue while it was actually
happening. Thank you for writing this. At least people will be able to
see in retrospect how awful America’s treatment of Clinton (and other
women) has been.
— Posted by Cindy
2008
8:04 am
Thank
you for summing up the sentiments I have been feeling about Hillary’s
candidacy and the SATC movie so eloquently. It’ll be nice to point
people to this when people wonder, that even though I voted for Barack,
how disillusioned and disappointed I have become with this country and
all that’s played out.
— Posted by Carolyn
2008
8:04 am
I
know there is still plenty of sexism still out there, as there is
racism. Did anyone see the t-shirts with the monkeys on them mocking
obama? I’m a female and was just very pro-obama (not anti-Clinton) when
this whole thing started out. However, clintons own actions (ie, most
recently not even acknowledging that he got the delegates and
shamelessly using fuzzy math with no apology) turned me off from her.
To a large degree, she needs to take responsibility for her campaign
and stop blaming everyone and everything else.
— Posted by ems
2008
8:09 am
to
a previous post, the point is that olympia snowe and these other
“sweet,” “acceptable” women never could have been taken seriously. you
have to be incredibly tough as a woman, almost over-tough, to be taken
seriously as a leader…and then you’re lambasted about it. it sounds
like a no-win, but I think hillary has advanced the ball tremendously
by getting as close as she did to winning. some people think by a
proper measure she did win.
— Posted by mplsgirl
2008
8:11 am
Some
interesting points but I’m tired of reading that it was misogyny that
doomed Hillary Clinton’s candidacy. Sure it was a factor, as racism too
affected Obama’s candidacy.
However Hillary as an individual and as a part of the Clinton couple
had other serious negatives, and she ran a bad campaign. She’s not a
good example for your main argument.
Women are unfortunately just as commodified in Europe as in North
America, but there have been numerous women heads of state and
government.
— Posted by S.O.
2008
8:11 am
Judith,
thanks for your wise words. Those of us who were around in the 70’s
wonder what happened to the women’s movement. What happened to
equality? What happened to being judged for who you are rather than how
you look?
Yes, some women have reached prominent positions that were
unthinkable two generations ago, but for the average woman things are
not better than they were in our mother’s times. Women joined the
workforce but are still responsible for the children, so have paid a
terrible price. (And the children are ignored or suffer benign neglect
in the process. How many families can function on one paycheck? )
Our reproductive choices are eroding. Current media show little
regard for women except as sex objects who can “sell” something. As the
mother of a teenage daughter I find this quite disturbing. All in all,
women are probably worse off than they were 30 years ago.
it’s a miracle that Hillary Clinton got as far as she did; I hope
that the next administration will have a prominent position for her.
— Posted by bonnie
2008
8:13 am
My revulsion with Hillary Clinton has nothing to do with her sex., but with her words and deeds over a long period of time.
— Posted by Phil Greene
2008
8:13 am
When
a man acts poorly, he is said to be having a bad day, when a woman acts
poorly it is said that it is because she is a woman. We need to ask the
“what if…” question… what would we say if that was a man doing this? I
think Chris Mathews and others who are so blatantly sexists should be
fired. Hillary was in a untenable position. Damned if she spoke out
about the antifeminist rhetoric and damned if she didn’t. I think she
is amazing and I feel badly that she put herself out there and for all
of that did not get the nomination. Sure she had some missteps, but
nothing like John Kerry or Dukakis. Nobody said their missteps were
because they were men.
— Posted by Helena Spring
2008
8:14 am
The Hillary-hating pundits will have only themselves to blame when McCain is elected in November.
— Posted by jw
2008
8:15 am
Thank
you for this article. In my culture and in my profession, physical
appearance has always been placed ahead of intelligence. I have three
degrees. Thank you for speaking to us women who have always put value
on being a strong intelligent vibrant real life woman.
— Posted by Verna Valencia
2008
8:15 am
I
agree with you whole-heartedly. The commentators you mentioned
(Carlson, Barnicle, Rudov, Matthews) as well as Glenn Beck, should be
shown the door by their respective networks. Of course, so should
Hannity, O’Reilly, Limbaugh, and a raft of others right-wing
propagandists who spout both sexist & racist commentary every day.
Until then, I hope that Senator Clinton can find the balance to take
the same high road that Senator Obama has taken: quiet dignity, coupled
with effective strong action & words on the issues. That is how you
beat these bully boys. Ignore them; it frustrated the life out of them.
I hope that Senator & President Clinton both put the painful,
frustrating defeat behind them & come out swinging, 100% behind
Senator Obama & his running mate, whoever he or she may be, to take
the White House back.
— Posted by Tom
2008
8:20 am
While
there is no doubting that misogyny exists as does racism, one cannot
chalk Mrs. Clinton’s falling short of her goal to just that – though it
more likely than not had some small part. (Just as there will be those
who will not vote for Obama strictly because of race). Unfortunately,
her husband has more to do with ther defeat than anything. His
unfocused, petulant comments regarding attacks on her underscored what
many believe as some sort of “deal” that was wrought in the days
following the Lewinski humiliation that she deserved the Whie House as
some sort of gift for what she ehdured. The Presidency was not Bill
Clinton’s to bestow as some sort of make-up bauble for his sins.
There is no doubting that Mrs. Clinton is one intelligent, hard-working
woman who takes seriously her political mission. However, that alone
does not mean that she deserves the highest office in the land any more
than any of a number like-minded people. She comes across, whether she
means to or not, as too calculating, too willing to do or say whatever
is politically expedient; and more importantly too distant and cold -
though she may very well have had to develop such a persona. Obama is
most likely just as calculating and politically expedient but he comes
across as more personable – someone who one could have a conversation
with and feel that one is being heard – and I say that not as an Obama
supporter – which I am not. However, the president is the “face ” of
the US. After the last eight years, there is a groundswell of feeling
on the part of the citizens of this country to present a different view
of the US to the world. Hillary’s is a face of the past – of
bitterness, “right-wing conspiracy” talk, an “I have all the answers
because I attended an Ivy League school” mentality that needs to be put
aside. Yes, I know that Obama is an Ivy League graduate, but his
experiences before his college matriculation and his work record after
graduation give him a different view. McCain also represents a
different view of America – someone who knows first hand suffering and
who could have always taken an easier route but chose not to – a man of
honor, a value that Americans want to see as a defining American
quality. (Let me also state that I am not a McCain supporter either).
Neither presumptive candidate are without flaws but both represent a
better part of the American self. Unfortunately for Hillary Clinton’s
candidacy, she had no vision of a better American character to offer.
— Posted by Catherine Schildknecht
2008
8:20 am
Thank
you. It sometimes seems to me the very bedrock on which our county is
founded is misogyny. It is nothing less than heartbreaking.
— Posted by Jordan
2008
8:20 am
Thank you from the bottom of my heart.
The witch-burning I’ve just witnessed has shaken me to the core.
— Posted by Penny
2008
8:21 am
Though
an Obama supporter, I couldn’t suppress a faint feeling of regret when
I watched Hillary’s sort-of concession speech on the 3rd. Though I
wasn’t around for them, I feel a certain nostalgia for the ’70s or any
other period during which misogyny and sexism were taken as seriously
as racial justice. I enjoyed reading this and hope that more people
will take it to heart.
— Posted by Sweta Haldar
2008
8:25 am
A
cutting article. I watched the video. It’s interesting how a montage
like that basically has people digging their own holes. But there is a
difference in types of sexism- at least the older men tend to have some
fondness for women, albeit condescending and for an unreal stereotype-
it’s the ones that seem to just not like women- or even hate women,
that really annoy me.
Back to the video-I’m ashamed of some of the television networks in the US.
— Posted by Ruth
2008
8:28 am
”
so defiantly sexless that she’s let her pubic hair grow in” ?? Public
hair as antithetical to sexiness? Is this what feminism has come to? If
a man wants a woman to shave that hair, she should find another man!
— Posted by Mary Jane
2008
8:28 am
Welcome back I missed you. The men were terrible to
Mrs. Clinton but so were the women especially Maureen
Dowd. I used to love watching MSNBC and reading Dowd
but no more. Keith Oberman was a terrible disappointment he hated Hilary as much as he hated Bush.
— Posted by debbie baer
2008
8:28 am
Your
column helped ….I am so disappointed with Hillary’s “loss”…she took a
terrible beating from the media…we all lost…and no one seemed to
notice..thank you…thank you…Carol Litzler
— Posted by carol Litzler
2008
8:30 am
Judith,
I haven’t done the math precisely, but it seemed to me that Obama
had smarter women – at least the visible ones – working in his campaign
than HRC did.
— Posted by Deirdre
2008
8:30 am
Thank
you for rekindling a little of my faith in media which died during
Hillary’s campaign. As a young 20-something, I’ve seen very little of
this misogyny carried out in my life until this election. I’ve been
outraged and cried and frankly, it’s what brought me to tears when
Obama finally clinched the nomination. I know it’s great for him and
this country, but I wanted this year to be great for her and for us.
In response to a post about using “Hillary” as the reference, I
think Hillary put herself out there to be marketed that way with her
signage and campaign propaganda. I don’t think it’s a bad thing, I
think it was just a way to initially distinguish herself from Bill, as
she tried to do early in the campaign. What drove me nuts was “Mrs.
Clinton.” Urgh…I wish she never would have taken his name at the urging
of the media in the 90s.
Anyway, thank you so much for your work. I’ll be looking to enjoy more of it in the near future.
— Posted by Kitty
2008
8:31 am
Thank
you for contributing a thoughtful piece about a woefully unreported
issue in the campaign. However, I think it’s important to consider
policy-related reasons that perhaps drove voters (including educated
feminists) toward Obama: the fictional characters in the fantasy-filled
Sex and the City never voted to invade Iraq.
— Posted by alison
2008
8:32 am
Welcome back Judith.
I loved this article and think you are spot on. But there is a ray
of hope. . . to me Sex and the City wasn’t about today’s culture, it
seemed oddly so four years ago despite Samantha’s iphone. I mean, the
white SUV? The piles of shopping bags (you can’t tell me that those
women couldn’t have consolidated), and all that glittering pink (yuck
so 2004). I feel like the movie was one last hurrah before that sort of
vapid lifestyle was thrown into the back of Carrie Bradshaw’s closet.
I have faith that good things can still come out of Hillary’s
campaign. I am looking forward to the conversations like the ones all
of these posters seem so eager to have — the ones where we figure out
what progress has really been made in this “post-feminist” time.
Thanks Judith!
— Posted by Pam
2008
8:35 am
not all women like sex & the city and recognized it for the unrealistic garbage it is.
— Posted by patsy shamrock
2008
8:38 am
I
won’t dispute that Fox News and conservative commentators throughout
the media have made frequent sexist comments about Hillary. But this
shouldn’t have surprised anyone — they’re in the business of catering
to the lowest common denominator and ugly, petty, snide remarks get
more ratings than nuanced discussions of policy. And in today’s media
climate, these commentators are preaching to their own choirs. I don’t
know any democrats who turn to Fox for “fair and balanced” journalism.
I don’t think Clinton lost the race because of sexism. She lost
because Obama is a more inspiring candidate, and he ran a cleaner, more
dignified campaign. Throughout the primaries, Hillary made gender an
issue — from her crocodile tears during her New Hampshire press
conference, all the way through this past week — while Obama has done
everything possible to leave the race issue out of his campaign.
The race for the presidency should be about health care, domestic
policy, the environment, the middle east … not about the politics of
victimhood.
— Posted by Steve
2008
8:38 am
So glad your voice is back. Thanks for articulating so beautifully what I have been thinking, as usual.
As a fifty something Hillary supporter (shamefully I also liked the
Sex in the City movie, though– even I have become so desensitized to
the rampant sexism that permeates our society that I react with
amusement rather than outrage at this point) I am even more shocked by
my friends who, educated all of them, say things like, “I don’t know
why, I just don’t like/trust her.”
Those of us who fight in the real world every day deal with being
considered bitchy if we have an opinion, menopausal (or victims of PMS
if we are younger) if we show any emotion/passion in the work place,
and, of course, here is the real kicker, paid less than men with better
titles and far less competence. Please keep sharing your words of
wisdom on this subject.
— Posted by Chris
2008
8:39 am
Hillary
Clinton behaved badly in the race. The fact that FOX news and MSNBC
commentators are idiots does not change this. As a young American woman
viewing the spectacle of the primaries from a distance – the UK – I was
spared the worst of the Hillary bashing and instead was able to focus
on how she chose to run her campaign. Needless to say, her pandering
rhetoric and divisive approach both saddened and infuriated me.
As for SATC, the theme of friendship amongst women trumps all else
in the film. Nothing is complete without women friends – not marriage,
not childbirth, not devastation or loss. I am disappointed to see that
a film that so utterly champions strong female relationships is being
so universally judged by women. The fact that women are going to the
theatre in droves should be celebrated, not bemoaned!
Political and social movements do not work if people feel alienated, bullied or cowed.
— Posted by Amber
2008
8:44 am
Clearly
we see things through our own filters, and can then select snippets to
bolster our perceptions. The Women’s Media Center montage is a great
example; nothing was untrue, but the same montage could have been put
together about racism, about bigots, about being fat in a culture that
worships models. We’re all in this together, and we have to see the big
picture.
For me, as a woman older than Hillary, I could have focused on how
great it would be to be represented by a woman. However, time and again
I was put off by her tactics and ‘hardball’ skills she obviously
thought necessary. Though simple, her response to a question whether
Obama was Muslim, replying no, he is not, as far as I know, is
representative.
Rather than sexism being the major factor, I thought Clinton (coming
of age during the Vietnam protests, Watergate, civil rights etc.) and
Obama (coming of age as a multi-cultural person, with the internet,
globalization etc.) are different generations. Ultimately I came to see
Clinton’s campaign as representing politics as usual and unreponsive to
the present mood.
— Posted by Phyllis
2008
8:44 am
As
a working-class woman having the misfortune to have worked for many
“feminist” women who traded on their husbands’ influence and were truly
aggressive, hostile, and just plain mean, I could not get past the
similarity to them that I saw in Hillary.
— Posted by Betty
2008
8:46 am
What a powerful return to the _NYTimes_, Judith.
Thanks! That’s the best review for the _Sex and the City_ movie I have read.
You are exactly right!
–Liz
— Posted by Liz
2008
8:46 am
Hillary
didn’t flounder; she got ~18 million votes, about as many as (if not
more than) Barack Obama. Clearly there was no “winner” or giant upset
of this election–we just have a process to deal with “ties” like this,
called the delegate system, and it happened to pick Barack Obama. It
says nothing about the success of Hillary Clinton that she “lost”.
— Posted by Joe
2008
8:52 am
I
made the difficult decision to support Obama over Clinton, inspite of
being a woman and a New Yorker. I like watching Sex & the City and
plan to see the movie, without thinking for a moment that doing so will
reduce my feminist commitments or credentials.
That said, I absolutely agree with your observations about the
“nutcracker” toy and the rhetoric of castration. I find it
unconsciounable that such “jokes” are de-politicized. You are correct
that similar racial jokes would never be tolerated in the mainstream.
Why more people have not been offended or spoken out, I do not know.
— Posted by ella
2008
8:53 am
I’m
really glad to see this column, man. Now, instead of embarking on a
series of awkward disclaimers whenever I talk about my disgust for how
the media performed this political season — i.e., I don’t hate Obama; I
know Hillary made mistakes; she may not have deserved to win; etc.,
etc., etc. — I can just link to this article. Thank you very much …
What’s weird is that I’d long ago determined that feminism in the
old-fashioned sense had sort of run its course, outlasted its
usefulness. Yeah, not so much feeling that way now. It’s really sad.
And there I was thinking we’d come so far …
— Posted by kimberly
2008
8:54 am
“I
am left feeling that addressing the misogyny in our culture is more
important than who gets control of the White House in 2009.” This
pretty much sums it up for me. Many of us, I suspect, while accused of
being spiteful, will use this election to send a message to the
country, and especially the Democratic Party. As I enter the last few
decades of my life, I think it is more important to look at and to
address, as I can, the larger picture of misogyny than to worry about
four years of a weak President. We’ll get through that easily, but the
moment to speak up for women is now. I am still undecided about whether
that will take the form of a vote for McCain, or a write in for Sen.
Clinton, but certainly I will not vote for the Democratic candidate.
— Posted by Veda Zuponcic
2008
8:55 am
I
wish we could all, regardless of whom we support politically, step back
and consider what has been accomplished during this primary season: A
white chick and a black guy are at this moment two of the most powerful
people in the country. This is astonishing.
The medieval mindset of all those flabby, nontelegenic, white male
commentators notwithstanding, Hillary has managed to maintain a
substantial following of both women and men. And let’s not forget that
it was just a few years ago that a black man was chained to a bumper
and dragged to his death in Texas. Can you imagine living with that as
a black American? We really must leave behind the who’s-more-victimized
mentality and stand together.
As for Sex and the City, we ought to be treating it with the
contempt it deserves as an enterprise that is soooo last-decade. In the
current global atmosphere of war, genocide, and potential mass
starvation, Sarah Jessica Parker and her cohorts ought to be ashamed of
themselves for peddling such nonsense. I’m not saying we can’t have a
little fun in our lives, but for women especially to go out of their
way to embrace the callous and shallow really is disgraceful. Surely
women approaching fifty can find something better to do with their
lives than obsess over wedding dresses.
— Posted by Nancy
2008
8:58 am
I love how many of the comments here seem to boil down to “It’s not sexist, because she DESERVED it.”
Newsflash: That in itself IS sexism. I did not support Clinton and I
loathed many of the things she did and said during the course of the
campaign. I’m glad that Obama won. But that does not mean that she
deserved the many incidents of sexism that Judith Warner documents
here. Nor are you right to suggest that because so many people really
hate Hillary, that it means that the sexism is only about her, and not
other women. When those misogynist frames are used, they hurt EVERY
woman. They are a message: if we don’t approve of your ambition, or
your looks, or your mothering, you will be attacked on grounds that
have nothing to do with your competence, politics, or actions, and
everything to do with your sex.
— Posted by Betsy
2008
9:03 am
Hillary
lives in the world of self-pity. As a woman, I think she was the wrong
person to be President. It is not about sexism–it is about all the
baggage she carries with her. We will have a woman President. But I am
so glad it will not be Hillary. She reminds me of my children when they
were small–everything was me, me, and me.
— Posted by Kim
2008
9:04 am
While
i can’t speak to comments about sex and the city (never watched it) I
must say that I did not see the sexism that others claim. It’s not that
it wasn’t there, but as it is pointed out in this article, it didn’t
make the mainstream media. Any comments made by members of Fox News
would be missed entirely by my household; as would any comments made by
pundits on any of the commentary shows on MSNBC or CNN.
It is shameful that people would deny that Sen. Clinton had the
ability to run this country simply because she is a woman. She is
incredibly intelligent and talented. I did not vote for her, i was an
Edwards supporter who voted for Obama after Edwards dropped out, but i
would vote for her over John McCain.
What it boils down to for me is that (what a surprise) the mainstream media didn’t do its job, again.
— Posted by Conrad
2008
9:07 am
Several
things are striking about articles on sexism and the Clinton campaign
(and Warner’s is indistinguishable from a number of others, but for the
forced Sex and the City comparisons).
1. They never mention any political stands Clinton took to advance the cause of gender equality.
2. They dwell on incidents that even avid news junkies may have
missed, unless they read one of these articles. Most of us otherwise
never saw a Hillary nutcracker, heard Penn Jillette’s assinine joke,
etc. None of these incidents are linked to the Obama campaign.
3. They never mention the use of race by the Clinton campaign itself
(including Geraldine Ferraro, Bill Clinton, and Hillary herself) to try
to diminish Obama. By the end of the campaign, this had become
practically central to Hillary’s message.
4. They never offer much evidence that gender shaped the voting
patterns of many people this primary season, aside from white women
over fifty, who went for Clinton in large numbers.
— Posted by SteveS
2008
9:10 am
Although
I think you are right about the sexism directed at Hillary Clinton
(people not liking her is no excuse for gender based attacks), I think
you are directing your criticism on the wrong people. The SATC women
may not be the perfect role models, but most of the women I know who
went to see this movie were Clinton supporters who were angered by the
sexism directed at her.
What you seem not to be aware of is the sexism unleashed by the
release of the Sex and the City movie. There appears to be real
resentment out there that there is a movie about women who are
financially capable of taking care of themselves (not counting
Charlotte). There also seems to be a resentment among men that they
should have to endure the female point of view. And, then there are the
comments about “aging” women. You may not like Samantha, but she is a
woman who seems to challenge what is acceptable for a woman to be – a
woman her age should either be married with children or accept her age
and fade into the background. Women are not supposed to be able to take
care of themselves and enjoy being single.
The movie is doing well because it is a guilty pleasure – like James
Bond movies. However, ther is some substance to the movie – a few of
the women in the movie are forced to rediscover who they are apart from
their significant others. Criticism of the movie seems to be the
typical dismissal of “women’s things” – as if they are not important.
Why is it that women are supposed to be one dimensional – either they
are serious (taking on the world) or they care about relationships -
why can’t they be both?
— Posted by MG
2008
9:10 am
You
don’t really seem to get it. “Sex and the City” grossly objectifies
males, in the same way (though with perhaps less viciousness) as the
misogynist examples you site from the primary campaign that denigrate
females. Adding the mindless consumerism that the TV show and film
exalt, which always traps and distorts clear thought in our culture,
they are no more or less “just good fun” than the sexist nutcracker you
describe.
Please add your own off handed reference to “drooping roll of sushi”
to examples of the same kind of casual “sexism” that you complain
about.
It is purely sexist to believe that either the strengths or
weaknesses of Hillary Clinton as a candidate reflected anything other
than Hillary herself and the campaign she created.
I pass over the fact that she got a very good start by being Bill’s
wife, because in our benighted country male politicians (and others)
often (usually?) get unwarranted benefits merely by having famous or
wealthy family or other relationships that really have no bearing on
the politician’s own qualifications (think Bush, Kennedy, Reagan, Gore,
Roosevelt). “Meritocracy” is at best a dreamlike, possibly unattainable
ideal here, and not just for women. Is that “equality”?
In all events, Hillary was a strong and intelligent “person”, with
other traits as a “person” that were (wrongly or rightly) irritating or
unacceptable (or just not as attractive as Obama’s) to some people.
That some fools saw this as related to her sex is simply too bad, but
she really did establish (whether you like it or not) the likelihood
that a female can (and will ultimately) go as far politically as a male
in this country under the current system. I’ve got news for you – that
is not necessarily so wonderful a thing, for either women or men.
Either any sexism is always bad and must be wiped out, or some
lesser forms of it, at least in popular expression, given the central
role of sexual differentiation in human existence, are both inevitable
and tolerable. There will never be a bright line concerning sexism in
“humor”, poliical commentary, entertainment, etc. Comedy Central would
go out of business without “sexist” and other disparaging (and
dismaying) jokes. But we can laugh without hating, so maybe “Sex and
the City” isn’t that bad a thing for people to like.
However, civil rights are another matter entirely – there we can and must find and draw (and have drawn) brighter lines.
But you also have to accept that an extreme and unprincipled sexism
in many Hillary supporters has recently been revealed in the threats of
many to vote for McCain. That Hillary was the object of sexist attack
simply does not justify this. She indeed played by (mostly, until near
the end), and just barely missed winning, by the same sexist rules.
Sexual equality is not when women become “like men” (or vice versa),
just flipping over from one distorted, exaggerated, outdated, hateful
and ultimately self-destructive gender role to the “other”. The answer
lies somewhere in the middle.
It is questionable whether Hillary ever found that crucial middle,
any more than Bill has. But clearly many of her supporters have not,
and it’s not where the cultural meaning of “Sex and the City” (assuming
it has any) has ever been.
— Posted by wk
2008
9:12 am
great article….this is a horrible and totally accepted part of our culture.
— Posted by iluvobama
2008
9:14 am
The
fact is women are complex and interesting people and the versions
portrayed by SITC (fantasy) and HRC (reality) will co-exist from here
to eternity. Same for men…I like some male eye candy (Brad Pitt,
Matthew Mc(sp?), George Clooney) every once in a while. Clearly the
issue is that men drift from version to version seamlessly and
apparently without down-side to the entire gender. If any one of these
guys were to be portrayed running down the beach in a tiny suit he
doesn’t unravel all or even any of the accomplishments made by every
other male in the land.
So now is the time to give Hillary (she by the way insisted on the
first name being used to create some distance from Bill “Clinton”) her
due and not let Sarah Jessica Parker et al undo her achievements or the
achievements of any other woman leader in America (which is far behind
many nations in electing women into office). Hillary has broken new
ground and has reframed the arena of possibilities. Unfortunately she
made some mistakes that have to be taken into account when considering
who should hold one of the most powerful positions in the world.
Nonetheless she has established herself as a powerful force in the
country and this is clearly not the last we will see of her nor is it
the last we will see of women in high heels and short skirts.
If women get outraged at the multi-faceted nature of being female
and use it to suggest faultering progress then so will men. Celebrate
the complex nature of being a woman and support the progress being made
in expanding the spectrum of possibilities! Why should men enjoy the
freedom a wide spectrum offers while women struggle with it and
diminish the progress achieved in one arena just because the other
exists?
Work remains to be done to equalize the playing ground between men
and women and Hillary Clinton has made monumental forward movement for
everyone!
BTW-wouldn’t it be fabulous if the SITC cast received an equal paycheck to that paid out to the Ocean’s 11,12,13 cast?
— Posted by Christine
2008
9:14 am
I
completely agree — BUT. The exciting thing is that the vitriol we’ve
witnessed means one thing: We’re succesfully taking power away from
men, and they’re scared. Clinton wasn’t dismissed and she wasn’t
ignored, and that’s new.
We know we’re getting close when the insults get louder and the
language stronger. That shouldn’t scare us off but inspire us more.
— Posted by Joanie
2008
9:14 am
I
was around in the 70s and mysogyny and sexisum were still not taken as
seriously as racial justice. That’s the point. It still is not. We will
have a black male President before a female President just like black
men had the right to vote before women. What is sad is that even women
buy into the sexism, so much that they make jokes about themselves.
They vehemently claim NOT to be feminists (still neglecting to read the
definition — simply equal rights).
— Posted by Nancy
2008
9:16 am
The
disrespect for Clinton and the millions of voters who selected her name
at the ballot box continues even after her campaign is declared over.
Completely ignored in so much of the discourse is the fact that she won
every major state and half of the votes nationally. A man standing at
the same place would not have been publicly derided or consistently
presented as desperately clinging to a pipedream at the expense of his
party. And a winning opponent (and real leader) looking to unite his
party would have engaged such a strong candidate months ago. Perhaps
even embracing a few significant ideas from his opponent. (Mandates for
healthcare, anyone?). Instead the message from all sides seems to have
been “little lady step aside and let the big boys handle things”.
Perhaps the only hopeful thing is that even some women who utterly
dislike Hillary are angered by the media’s treatment of her. Now if we
can only get ourselves together enough to combat this current swing
towards misogyny in ou society. No matter our party affiliation.
— Posted by Karen
2008
9:16 am
The
sheer invisibility of sexism, rooted as it is in the very bedrock of
our shared culture, is what disturbs. In a stunning victory for
collective self-delusion, sexism creates a seemingly self-evident
perception, where anxiety about powerful and free women justifies
itself by blaming the woman and closing down any thought that we might
actually be feeling our own hate and fear, not her aggression. A
victory for vicious circles.
— Posted by Elizabeth
2008
9:18 am
How
is it that when a woman loses (an election, a job,a promotion) it is
because of “sexism” but when she wins it is purely because she was the
best person for the position? Perhaps HRC supporters should be more
open to the fact that she was a terrible candidate who did nothing but
antagonize those who hate her thus giving her opponent the opportunity
to win. Even in defeat she has not been gracious enough to concede.
Terrible.
— Posted by Andrew
2008
9:21 am
Thank you for this.
I’m
in my late 20s and I think a big part of the cultural problem is women
my age who think being feminist is somehow unnecessary, that all of the
battles have been fought and won. Too many of us are not fighting
anymore.
— Posted by Hillary
2008
9:25 am
Judith
- thanks so much. I am so dejected by the rampant sexism on TV and in
print. Just this morning I read the NYT article on Carly – yet another
example of rejecting and criticizing a strong woman for the very traits
that are lauded in men. Hillary took more than her share and while I do
think she is very much an opportunist (shoe me one pol who isn’t) her
strength in the face of vicious attacks it to be admired.
Thanks for voicing what so many of us have been thinking about.
— Posted by spin_girl
2008
9:27 am
As
a male Obama supporter, I agree absolutely with the analysis of the
slurs and the attitudes which underlie those slurs. This has nothing to
do with why Senator Clinton is not the nominee. That happened because
she assembled a terrible campaign staff, had an inconsistent message,
could not manage her team – and of course because of her votes for wars
with Iraq and Iran. But sexism, like racism, continue to dominate
American life – just now in the “funnier” – somehow more “acceptable”
way.
But I do have a question relating to the racism/sexism balance – at
least when it comes to politics. A quick look suggests that the United
States now has 8 white female elected governors, or four times as many
white women elected chief executives of their states currently as black
males freely elected to that position in history. The United States
Senate has 16 times as many white women as African-American men. If
sexism is so much more tolerated than racism (as suggested here), are
these women simply winning via identity politics? (There are far more
white women voters than black male voters) or are these public slurs
less indicative of voter behavior than the much quieter racist fears of
the black male?
— Posted by Ira
2008
9:29 am
Thank
you. Am sending your column around. What is most disturbing of all is
the many comments on the Caucus and elsewhere on the blogs by young
(and even older) Obama women who are utterly clueless about sexism.
Been aghast at this for months now. There are so many women out there
who have never heard the “click” and haven’t the faintest understanding
of what sexism is and how they are being worked over every day in the
media, on the blogs and in daily life. Yet, in spite of this climate,
the votes kept coming in for Hillary, up until the last primary day.
— Posted by Phroso
2008
9:31 am
Hillary
Rodham Clinton has always been a role model for me, as a younger woman
who aspires to achieve some of the things she has. This article was on
point regarding the treatment she received from the media and many of
Warner’s criticisms of Sex and the City are accurate.
However, as a woman in my earlier 20s, I resent the implication that
younger women are not quick enough to realize that SATC is fluff;
frothy entertainment. The suggestion that we base our social and
workplace comportment and dress solely on a television series and don’t
want or know how to be taken seriously in the workplace is asinine. My
generation may watch Sex and the City, but we also follow politics,
read Simone de Beauvoir, and look up to those who have paved the way
for us.
— Posted by SD
2008
9:32 am
Clearly,
many commentators were guilty of sexist comments during the campaign
(particularly those on FOX, but what would you expect from them?). It’s
important for us to recognize this when it happens and to push back
against it. However, it’s also important to recognize 1) that the Obama
campaign had no part in that, and 2) that Obama supporters have their
own legitimate reasons for supporting their candidate which have
nothing to do with sexism. I chose Obama, I renounce the sexism
directed at Clinton, and I was fully disenchanted by Clinton’s tactics
and intellectual dishonesty over the course of her campaign.
I would appreciate it if Clinton supporters stopped referring to
people like me as “Obamabots” and demeaning my thought process in
choosing my candidate. I’m the opposite of an unthinking sexist, and,
if you must know, I’m a 56-year-old white woman who chose Obama because
I think he’ll make a great president– one who will champion the dignity
of all people, regardless of gender, race, religion, or political
identity.
— Posted by NER
2008
9:32 am
I
agree wholeheartedly with your commentary on the sexism surrounding
Clinton’s campaign; and yet, I am also a Sex and the City fan. It is
possible to do both. SatC is such an easy whipping post, isn’t it?
Hating on the portrayal of women who don’t easily shoehorn into your
idea of feminist idealism? As if the very POINT of feminism wasn’t to
allow women to make their own choices, whatever they may be? You really
could have come up with something a bit more original.
— Posted by dia
2008
9:32 am
You
speak words that an intelligent man is not allowed to and I’m glad you
did. Hillary Clinton would have been a great candidate for president.
Even though her aspirations are not shaping as she had hoped (due, in
no small part, to the talking heads you mentioned), her capability to
do the job should not be in question. Yet it was by so many that should
have, at the very least, been ambivalent to her.
I think this speaks back to a recent NYT article by Nicholas Kristof
discussing anti-intellectualism in the U.S. So many factors of
anti-intellectualism come into play here: the increased propensity to
believe that women HAVE a specifically designated “place” in society,
the inadequacy that many men felt about a strong woman’s candidacy, and
the waning desire of many women to fight against the status quo which
held for so long that women should not be in positions of power. All of
this comes back to education and acquired wisdom that we no longer
treasure in many parts of our great country.
I know I speak as one man but I look forward to the day that a woman president is no longer thought of as novel.
— Posted by Sean Serraguard
2008
9:34 am
Senator
Clinton’s comment that she “would obliterate Iran” if it acted in a way
that did not conform to acceptable US foreign policy… killing up to 30
million WOMEN and children in a flash of nuclear incineration… was more
than enough to convince me that this individual did not belong in the
White House. Is it just possible that if Senator Clinton had run a
campaign that focused on human decency and honesty…. more people would
have viewed her as a human being than as a woman?
I fear the legacy of Senator Clinton’s campaign will be that she
lost because America was not ready for a woman president…. and not that
America was not ready for the human being known as Hilary Clinton
— Posted by GS
2008
9:34 am
The
great irony of this whole primary season, with a woman and an African
American candidate, is that it produced a no-win scenario — if the
woman loses, it’s a result of sexism — if the African American loses,
it’s the result of racism. Both of those sentiments may be true (and
probably are), but what’s a voter to do? Somebody had to win. Perhaps,
as Rev. Wright would put it, it’s just our chickens coming home to
roost.
The remedy, of course, will be provided by the general election in
which we can all vote for the old white guy and put things back in
their natural order — no more unseemly cleavage, no black agenda, just
good old fashioned misogyny and racism as usual. Then we can get on
with the things that really matter, like whining about the price of
filling up our SUVs.
— Posted by Peter Summers
2008
9:34 am
Sex
and the City is nothing more than a TV show then movie about four
whores living in NYC that shockingly has never gotten an STD. It
promotes sex till we find the best guy. If it was men, I’d say the same
thing.
Hillary ran on an questionable “experience” while Obama ran on
“change.” Obama took the “change” mantle Democrats love and Hillary
foundered. Hillary also had high negatives from African-Americans after
Bill injected race into the race before S. Carolina. Obama has
negatives too with his racist preacher and former church. But, a big
stat was that only 51% thought she was honest. Obama got nearly 72%.
— Posted by Rachel
2008
9:35 am
Finally, someone speaks up! Thank you. It’s apparent that we still have a long way to go.
— Posted by Lisa
2008
9:35 am
Mike
Barnicle and friends are pretty gross, but what also gets to me are the
more mainstream commentators whose “observations” are just as worn out.
The whole “what does Hillary want” line of questioning, especially. One
talking head on the today show even trotted out her changing hair
styles, circa 1992, as evidence that she “doesn’t even know who she
is.” Please.
— Posted by katie
2008
9:36 am
It
may feel safe now to talk about the the sexism that surrounded all of
us during this past primary but that is only because Hillary Rodham
Clinton is now safely back at home. She is no longer a threat. How easy
it was to hate her. Sexism is not just about sex and the workplace, it
is about the ease that we have in turning to hate the women in our
lives including our mothers, teachers, and sisters. All of us that did
not speak out about the treatment of Hillary Rodham Clinton, or denied
the existence of any sexism no matter our choosen candidate showed an
acceptance of this hate. We should be ashamed.
— Posted by maria
2008
9:37 am
Welcome
back and thank you so much for this. If we all found our voices and
spoke as publicly as you perhaps we could finally drown out those who
hate and abuse us. I deeply admire HRC and you and all women who are
brave enough to say the truth and face the reaction.
— Posted by amatricia
2008
9:39 am
I
am very glad you posted this. I find it ridiculous how women are still
treated in 2008. I am 23 years old, and used to be an office manager. I
can’t tell you how many times how I have to remind our vendors,
contractors, and even my building manager to not call me “honey: and
“peach”, stop asking me out, take me seriously and not to try and get
on over on me by assuming I won’t read the contract carefully enough.
Unfortunately Striving while a woman is still an steep up hill battle,
but I hope all of us can change that through examples, fostering
equality in our schools, etc.
— Posted by H Brown
2008
9:41 am
I
think a lot of people had legitimate reasons for disliking Hillary that
had nothing to do with her gender–BUT–some people go to great pains to
point out the “socially unacceptable” parts of another person to
discredit them when they don’t like them. I saw so many comments
calling attention to her gender, her weight, and ridiculously even her
sexual orientation (with rumors that she was a closet lesbian)! Being
overweight, female, homosexual and non-white are still seen as
weaknesses to exploit in order to take down a rival. Multitudes of
people despise Bush, but I’ve never seen his worse qualities get
attributed to his race or gender, since being a white, straight, trim
(rich) guy is normal. I’m not saying I want everyone to start being
sexist or racist toward him or anyone else white, straight, trim or
male–I just wish everyone could get the same treatment of being seen as
“normal.”
— Posted by shelly
2008
9:41 am
Where have all the feminists gone? Gone for Botox, every one. When will we ever learn?
Your thoughts on “Sex and the City” remind me of what was on my mind
when “The Stepford Wives” was re-released as a comedy. I thought that a
more apt satire for that new version would be if the women themselves
were willingly handing themselves over to be made over into beautiful
robots. Then, I guess, it would have been too accurate to have been
“funny.”
Thank you so much for this piece, and welcome back!
- Sam
— Posted by Sam
2008
9:43 am
Amen,
Judith. I agree with what you wrote and feel sadness when I examine the
current treatment and portrayal of women. It seems that every media
outlet shares the guilt…thank you for giving voice to what so many of
us see and wonder why so few others see the same. No matter which
candidate one supports, the blatant misogyny can not be ignored.
— Posted by Teri
2008
9:44 am
The
racism vs. sexism (vs. anti-semitism) false dichotomy is facile and
tired. And untrue. Forgive the overly academic term, but
“intersectionalities” are wholly ignored in even most of the more
thoughtful writing on race and sex and Clinton and Obama. Sexism
defined in relation to white women and racism in relation to black men.
It is not a useful prism in the real world.
Unrelatedly, I agree with much of what Ms. Warner says. But I think the
real key is her last line – without the parenthetical. Earnestness has
indeed become unattractive – in anyone. And we screech and compete for
disadvantage and are cynical about pretty much everything. At least in
my age cohort (late 20s) this is so. It is exhausting and demoralizing.
— Posted by e
2008
9:49 am
I
would not agree that Hillary’s campaign “imploded,” which means a
sudden collapse. That was part of her marvel, was that she kept going
until we had a nominee.
I do agree with the comments that equal racism re Barack would cause a huge reaction.
Thank you, Judith, and thanks also to Hillary Clinton for a marvelous strong race that improved the Party.
— Posted by Pat Andrews
2008
9:49 am
I
agree wholeheartedly with your comments. A co-worker of mine here in
the bastions of the mostly Republican state of Connecticut, said to me
“this country will never elect a black man as President” and I replied,
“you are wrong, they will never elect a woman.”
— Posted by Mel
2008
9:50 am
So
true. Thank you for writing this. Sexism sometimes seems so ingrained,
so “natural”, that it is invisible. I only hope that this campaign has
stirred some things up, and will clear the way for future
accomplishments by women. I don’t care if the “natural” assumption goes
to “Of course a woman can — why couldn’t she?” without ever recognizing
that that is a change from the present — as long as it gets there!
— Posted by Eve
2008
9:50 am
Gee,
I’m the parent of a young woman. I read this article and I feel, what,
pity for women who think this way. Should I suggest to my daughter that
the ‘nassy’ men cheated Senator Clinton of being president? Should I
suggest to her that she ignore all of the racist drivel on the internet
about Senator Obama? Is my daughter to glorify shoes, immoral sex,
searching for mister right, and vanity? Is she a victim always of
forces beyond her or does she make choices for herself?
I hope that women move beyond victimization and ‘it’s all about me’
towards thinking of themselves as truly equal in a world that is
sometimes supportive and sometimes hostile to all of us. And I hope
that women begin to think again of poverty and despair and not about
their vanity.
— Posted by Greg
2008
9:51 am
I
am not sure if I agree completely. Just because we haven’t been hearing
about ” similarly hateful racial remarks had been made about Obama”
doesn’t mean they too weren’t made and similarly swept under the rug as
not representative of the majority of America thinks currently.
Also, articles like this also make me wonder especially when they
choose not to at least mention all the race baiting tactics that
Hillary and her husband employed, the subtle and not so subtle ones:
Jesse Jackson, Hard working white Americans, he wouldn’t be here if he
wasn’t Black (is that because he’s from Harvard and not Yale???), RFK
assassination…
Both sides have been very sensitive about race and gender. Barack
Obama conducted himself with the utmost class and respect for Hillary
the entire campaign. The best we can probably come up with against him
is “Hillary you’re likeable enough,” which some saw as condescending,
but all in all, he could have easily said that to a man and it be seen
the same way.
Yes, Hillary had a hard campaign, but she was the cause of much of
that. Remember guys, she was the front runner for most of the campaign.
Everyone thought she was a shoo in, including herself…despite being
FEMALE and wearing a pantsuit. And one should not blink an eye at the
many difficulties Barack had to face… many of them just because he skin
isn’t like the rest of our past presidents.
— Posted by Renee
2008
9:51 am
Thank you!
What
a great day to start the day, with a good dose of reality and
opinionated thinking. I had been drowning in the pink fluff lately,
reading your column is as bracing as a cold shower.
— Posted by Marie-Helene
2008
9:51 am
The
difference between the nasty rhetoric aimed at Clinton and Obama is
that the racism is being whispered, while the woman-hate was far more
freely expressed. That’s something societal, and it would have happened
no matter who the candidates.
Obama ran a smart campaign and he didn’t result to dirty tricks,
innuendo and switching his personality to fit the location. Hillary did
all of the above. Watching her run was like watching the head
cheerleader campaign to be Homecoming Queen. The longer the race went,
the uglier her behavior became.
And for all of you out there whining about how you’ll vote for
McCain or write in Hillary rather than vote for Obama, you’re no better
than little girls stamping your feet because you didn’t get your turn
in the jump rope line. And you’re certainly not true Democrats.
— Posted by Elizabeth
2008
9:53 am
All
through the primaries, every time I voiced my support for Obama I had
to clarify that it wasn’t out of hatred for women. The vast majority of
Obama supporters that I have met are NOT misogynists…but the
misogynists out there (including many McCain supporters) unfortunately
count several media “personalities” among their ranks. It’s disgusting
and I’m glad it’s over, though I wish we could have killed it before
the general election (informally) started. I think Clinton is a
brilliant, brave, compassionate person and that she’d make an amazing
president. She’s fought a good fight for many, many years and I hope
that all this shameful coverage doesn’t stop her. She does seem
discouraged, but not afraid, and certainly not defeated. She’s still
Hillary Clinton. She’s still one of the most powerful voices we have.
And let’s hope that these reports that some her supporters are
planning on voting for anti-choice, pro-war McCain are false. That
would be the biggest tragedy.
— Posted by Jason
2008
9:53 am
Good column.
The
sexist commentators are engaging in a hazing to keep women out of their
elite club. As their fear of being ruled by a woman increases, so does
the level of their irrational comments. They should be scared. Sen.
Clinton is more intelligent, more powerful and perhaps even richer than
each of them. She led in the popular vote, but lost because the
predominantly male superdelegates defected to Sen. Obama. She’s not
going to go away. He needs her voters.
I am proud of Sen. Clinton.
— Posted by Elizabeth
2008
9:54 am
“You
make the mistake of conflating HRC with some kind of EveryWoman who
just happened to be running for prez. HRC pushes a lot of people’s
buttons, and a lot of that has little to do with the fact that she’s a
woman. Any man who was as aggressive and slimy as she was would still
be called on it. See Mitt Romney.
Plus, she was not too hesitant to play the race card herself (and
don’t say she didn’t—she implicitly and explicitly did so against Obama
several times). HRC is no victim, so quit casting her that way.
— Posted by c h r i s”
EXACTLY! People were reacting to HRC, often shamefully and
inexcusably – but not to women in general. Had this been another women
candidate the overall reaction would have been quite different, I can
assure you.
— Posted by Joelk
2008
9:55 am
The
sick thing about “Sex” is that it buys into the creed that freedom is
only practiced through consumption — of clothes, of real estate, of
people, of one’s own body. That definition of freedom is our real
zeitgeist. It’s the turbo-charged machismo exemplified by W’s flight
suit antic. We laughed at the time, but no longer.
We need a real, all-encompassing progressive agenda to clear the air of
the misogyny/sexism that you see on that youtube clip provided in the
article. Hillary or Obama are at least a step in that direction.
— Posted by maxwell
2008
9:57 am
Right
on. Thanks for publishing this. The way Clinton was treated has made me
sick at the sexism that is so rampant and accepted in our country. We
need more pieces like this!
— Posted by SLS
2008
9:58 am
Judith
Warner has said it so well and so have many respondents. Yes, many
people had rational policy-driven reasons to oppose Senator Clinton.
However, many did so out of Clinton-hatred and/or fear of women,
otherwise called sexism or misogyny. And the overall climate,
especially in the media, was one which actively promoted or tacitly
accepted the most trivializing and destructive stereotypes of women
(e.g. columnist Maureen Dowd is a prime purveyor of both kinds of
hatred and of the Lady Macbeth stereotype). For those who can bear to
read more, I recommend the threads “The Malign Acceptance of Sexism” on
the blog www.talkleft.com and the evidence compiled by Melissa McEwen in her hillary-sexism-watch on her blog Shakesville, www.shakespearessister.blogspot.com
(note the two ss in the middle; if you type only one, a very different
site appears). For a shorter take, still relevant is Rousseau’s warning
in the mid-18th century that women in public life would “un-man men.” !
What I find most valuable in Judith Warner’s piece is the attention to
both the political and cultural climates — as any mother knows, young
women are NOT empowered by growing up in a mass entertainment culture
that sexualizes women and girls at an increasingly young age. This view
of women is toxic to all concerned.
How will we get past all this? I wish I knew.
- Posted by Lois
— Posted by Lois Dubin
2008
10:00 am
Thanks Judith,
You are absolutely right at pointing out the damning ways in which
our media made sexism a non-issue. Senator Clinton’s success came
despite brutal attacks on her sex and power. She became the castrating
woman thanks to a media system that the day of the last primaries had
no women as senior-analysts (except on PBS and MSNBC), and had
systematically naturalized the impunity of sexism. What are we as a
nation when the most discriminatory language passes as political
commentary? With this question, I want to point out that, similarly,
the racist attacks on Latino immigrants by Lou Dobbs, Glenn Beck, and
Bill O’Reilly go uncriticized by the “other” media. These men are out
there everyday performing racism against Latinas/os with impunity and
maddening efficiency. Although I agree with you that our media has been
watchful about racism against Obama, and, thankfully, has reduced the
discriminatory language against Jewish people, I think is unwise to
think that racism is a forbidden practice in current political
language. All you have to do is turn to CNN or Fox for your daily dose
of anti-Latino racist rhetoric.
— Posted by Hector
2008
10:00 am
Thanks
for this piece. We do need to somehow bridge the gap between that part
of ourselves that “Sex and the City” appeals to with that part of
ourselves that wants to be taken seriously as professionals and
leaders. I appreciate Joe’s reminder that Senator Clinton did not
“flounder.” What energy she has!
— Posted by Phyllis
2008
10:00 am
By
the way, has anyone considered that the gals are flocking to SATC
because there is nothing else out there that speaks to them. It stands
out amongst a crowd of talking animals, male fantasy comic books or
violence and gore.
— Posted by Spin_girl
2008
10:01 am
Thank
you for this Judith, and welcome back. I have to say as a female who
works in landscaping (and has a degree in engineering), sexism is still
alive and well. There were many instances where men would not even let
me give them information about machinery and would directly tell me
(not ask, tell) to get them a man to help them. Usually I would find
them the most inexperienced man on the floor and let them flounder
before asking for my help again. In a country where a knowledgeable
woman cannot even sell a weed whacker to a man, how is a woman going to
win the presidency? It is sad this issue is not acknowledged by the
public more.
— Posted by Abbie
2008
10:01 am
More people voted for her than any presidential candidate ever. Where does that fit into your article?
— Posted by Peter
2008
10:03 am
Judith:
Right
on the dot. 18 million votes..18, and she (and all of us) still has to
hear how she should be “a good girl” and not ASK for the VP nomination.
They would not tell a guy that. She has earned it.
— Posted by Manuel
2008
10:04 am
Thank
you, Judith. I remain amazed that Senator Clinton did as well as she
did, given the relentless, jaw-dropping attacks on her by the very
people who are supposed to report the news, and the complete denial of
the simple joy so many women and men, of all ages and colors, felt
every time she made history by winning a primary, no matter what her
flaws.
What this column says today Robin Morgan said with equal passion and even more horrific examples in February (see http://www.womensmediacenter.com/ex/020108.html)
and, for the sake of our sons and daughters, it cannot be said enough.
There is no “war between the sexes” — there is a war on women, and it
twists our characters and compromises all of us every day. Enough,
enough.
— Posted by JP Gal
2008
10:04 am
In
Indiana, one of Mr. Obama’s staffers was told that the candidate should
be ‘hung from a tree’. I don’t recall Mrs. Clinton receiving threats of
this magnitude. The “Nutcracker” jokes against her are undoubtedly
tasteless and reflect an on-going ideological problem that must be
addressed, but they seem like child’s play compared to some of the
racism confronted by the Obama campaign. It frustrates me to read
articles which protray Mrs. Clinton as a martyr suffering the blows of
male chauvinism, while Mr. Obama has it easy. There are other reasons
she lost including (primarily) dishonesty.
— Posted by Dan
2008
10:05 am
This
is #30 once again. Having just read ALL the comments so far, I’m
stunned at all the Hillary bashing. Did these people read your article
or just see the Clinton name in print again and want to vent hatred
instead of understanding the issues presented? I hadn’t dropped a tear
about my disappointment in this Presidential race until this morning.
It will take good people, not just men to stop putting women down. No
one would vote for a woman for President who looked so vapid as the
SATC “gals.” Is that a reverse sexism comment??? Where is Bella Abzug
when we need her?? Bless her soul.
— Posted by Kim New York
2008
10:05 am
Beautifully
written and so necessary to say. I still remember Obama’s comments that
he could get Hillary’s supporters in the election, but she could not
get his.
— Posted by Elena
2008
10:05 am
Thank
you for saying what I’ve been saying all along regarding Hillary: she
has had to run for office in a climate of unabashed, however largely
unconscious, misogyny.
I love Sarah Jessica Parker and the other actors of “Sex and the
City,” but I felt the movie wasn’t worth them. I felt it did play on
the far end of desperation–both in terms of relationships and money.
I see the same divide here that has permeated the lives of women for
so long: how to be strong and powerful (and claim our personal agency),
while also enjoying fashion and style and caring about things
conventionally in women’s purview (relationships).
My hope is that with Hillary’s candidacy and “Sex in the City”
happening at the same time, we will have more women and men recognizing
the split that still plagues women (and which is also happening in men,
however unrecognized). Then we can each of us join in with so-called
third wave feminism and recognize each individual’s right to be a whole
person in whatever way that manifests. This likely will include all
things Hillary has had to deal with: ambition, anger, sex, and
unvarnished fear of the feminine.
To all the women out there: who is ready to step it up for 2012?
— Posted by Heather
2008
10:07 am
Wow.
Hillary (and Barack) vanquished, what, 6 or 7 white men, all with more
experience than her (and him), and yet, the defining theme of the
campaign was sexism? Please.
Were there sexist moments? Sure. Like when Clinton said that it was
so mean that all the men in the debate ganged up on her. And yes, when
those men yelled “Iron my shirt” at her in a town hall meeting.
Neither of these were excusable.
The first was pathetic because Clinton was using her gender as a
tool to get sympathy for the beating that she, like ALL front runners
(and remember, she WAS the front runner), recieved from other
candidates in debates.
The second, well, we all know why the second was offensive.
But I would argue that the reason why there was more sexism in the
campaign than overt racism was because Clinton made her gender an issue.
I never felt as though Obama was running for President so that he could be the first black President.
But over and over again, I heard Clinton saying things about her
“historic” run, that all our daughters would benefit from what she was
doing, how Washington would benefit from having a woman in charge. And,
like in her complaint about the debate that I mentioned above, she also
alleged over and over that being a woman handicapped her in the
process. She made gender an issue. She brought it up.
So am I surprised that other people made her gender an issue? No. A
basic rule of any campaign is that if you don’t want something to be an
issue, don’t bring it up.
What really gets me is that a HUGE number of women are saying that
sexism is the only reason she lost. As if being a black elected
official is so easy.
The fact is that the same media that allegedly was so sexist and
cruel to her treated Clinton as the front runner all last year. The
“sexist” media only began to examine their coronation of her when the
reality of Iowa intruded.
So please, stop the gender based self pity. Clinton lost the
campaign fair and square, not because of sexism but because Obama was
the better candidate.
— Posted by snoop
2008
10:07 am
People
need to see that Hillary is merely an example of this raging problem.
It exists on all levels; stop claiming you disagree with Hillary for
whatever reason or that she isn’t the nominee because she is
“dishonest”. Stand back and look at the broader problem! Women across
the country and around the world are being treated as second class
citizens. Once we overcome racial problems for the black man is it
still okay to treat women like lesser beings? Apparently some people
still haven’t gotten the memo about otherwise…
— Posted by rubes
2008
10:09 am
Judith,
Your columns are always thoughtful and to-the-brim with insight and
what you say here about Sexism and HRC is not wrong. However, I do feel
that it is unfair to overlook racist comments not even from the media,
but from HRC herself that have passed largely without condemnation from
those, like yourself, from whom I expect guardianship over public
discourse. Leaving aside the he-said-he-said-she-said of Bill, Obama
and Hillary on the eve of the South Carolina primaries, when HRC
rhetorically equated “hard-working” Americans with “White,” there was
no turning “inside out in a paroxysm of soul-searching and shame.”
— Posted by Sean B
2008
10:09 am
I am a big fan of your work and am glad to see you back at NYT.
I was confused by your column today. But I guess that was your
point. The women we see in the media are caricatures of extremes, and
they generally bear little resemblance to the reality of our daily
lives.
It offends me that “freedom of expression” in this country has
turned into “say whatever you please without consequence”. Worse yet,
the supposedly objective news outlets don’t seem to know the
difference.
As a woman, I really wanted to be able to support Clinton. However,
her tactics turned my stomach and stood in stark contrast to Obama’s
message of hope, tolerance and inclusion.
— Posted by Lisa
2008
10:13 am
Only
a sexist society would treat Hillary the way she was treated. Thanks,
Judith Warner, for making that clear. I am incredibly proud of Hillary
Clinton and incredibly angry at her treatment by the society in
general.
Our work as feminists is not done. How sad that Hillary Clinton
will not be President. This election is an example of how any sort of
discrimination takes away from the talent pool of the nation.
— Posted by Betty Louann
2008
10:14 am
I
think sexism is better off in the open. Easier to identify, say, than
much racism which has gone semi underground. We haven´t caved in to it,
rather, the fight is long term. It won´t go away because Hillary
becomes president, and with Obama, racism will still exist. My
generation has no illusions about that. And still, we are pushing at
society´s conventions in countless ways.
The difference between feminists today and 30 years ago is not that
we are shallow SATC “girls”, rather than burn your bra “women”. But it
is a generational difference. People of my age, the post-baby boom,
despise being told by our wise and condescending elder baby boomers
that we aren´t politically ready, or feminist enough, or whatever
happens to be the condescension of the week. We have our oppressions,
including misogyny and racism and homophobia and more, and we think we
can do a better job with the world than our parents did.
The VietNam generation protested the stupidity of “the greatest
generation” when it ruled through stupidity. We are no different in
that respect. And it is surely possible that we will also fall short as
leaders. But we will have our chance. I have no ill feelings toward
Clinton, and I think she helped make this year different. Nice try
Hillary, now it is our turn.
We are women and men of a new generation. We have something to offer
the country that Hillary can´t reach and McCain can´t even fathom. It
is not simply youth, but a new vision and new goals born of youth. And
whether we choose to see SATC or some other inane Hollywood fluff, is
no more a reflection of feminism today than Hillary´s power-lunch
pants-suits. We are much more flexible than that, and we learned
through the failures of past feminisms.
— Posted by Donna Haraway´s cyborg
2008
10:14 am
Sorry,
but I am not buying your article. I am an Obama supporter, and got my
share of e-mails from “friends” pointing out that he was raised as a
Muslim, that he went to a white-hating church, etc., etc.
Please! Senator Clinton is NOT A VICTIM. And you should be ashamed
of playing the victim card yet again. Both Senator Obama and Senator
Clinton were slimed during the campaign by supporters of the other side
or by the media. So, please knock off the crocodile tears as though
your candidate somehow was more of a victim than the other candidate.
If you want to be effective and believable, how about a post-primary
article on the current political climate that so badly needs changing
or about a news media that cheerfully reports the latest rumor, all the
time knowing that it is untrue? In fact, racism and xenophobia was used
against Barack in a way even worse than any sexism that you can adduce
against the quite capable Hillary.
— Posted by Ernesto
2008
10:15 am
Hillary
bashing was so prevalent in conversation, media, and pop culture, that
I have to say, I became immune to it. When you fail to notice outright
sexism and fail to applaud someone willing to take so many hits for all
of us, you are falling into line with the sexist majority. Thanks for a
great op ed piece to shake me and wake me up.
— Posted by Jeanne
2008
10:16 am
Men
don’t get the misoygny endemic in our culture. They live and breathe it
taking for granted that in the wider male culture it is ok to bash
women. I have seen men gleeful using words like “bitch” or worse
describing women.
Underneath it all is the assumption that women need a man’s approval to
be desirable or have access to a higher income so women just have to be
passive and take it.
Sen. Clinton is the best kind of role model, and in my opinion,
should be President. She has a formidable intellect, problem-solving
experience and understands economic and foreign policy. She is tough
and resilient. She doesn’t need a man’s approval and she can provide
for herself.
So men find ways to dismiss her using vile epithets, inventing cruel
toys and network executives (men) have zero policies regarding verbal
cruelty toward women. So shows like South Park and commentators like
Tucker Carlson etc. say whatever terrible things they say about Sen.
Clinton with a wink and nod of approval from the network execs.
All of this perpetuates the misoygny in our society. The daily
verbal cruelty women must contend with in rural or urban settings helps
to keep women powerless and not equal.
Bravo to Sen. Clinton for forging ahead to show us what real
determination to attain a goal looks and feels like in this society.I
am not a fan of Sen. Obama with his thin resume and lack of experience.
Sen. Clinton is the real thing – Sen. Obama is just a rhetorical shadow.
Out of Sen. Clinton’s loss I hope comes an honest discussion of misoygny AND women fighting it every step of the way.
— Posted by Sue
2008
10:16 am
What
is most sad is that while this was unfolding most of my young female
friends a) noticed nothing and b) derided my decision to vote for
Hillary in part because I wanted to see a female president. They,
seeing feminism as an anachronism, didn’t feel the need to vote for a
woman, and that’s fine – everyone should vote for the candidate whose
policies they most support. But how about speaking out when other
people made comments like those you mention? That too is apparently an
anachronism…
— Posted by Allison
2008
10:16 am
Thank
you for insightfully comparing Clinton’s campaign and Sex and the City
— a welcome change from Slate’s recent attempt to do the same (Sex and
the City as the “consolation prize”).
— Posted by Sarah
2008
10:16 am
I
have to disagree w/ Warner a bit – the code language of racial
prejudice was uncovered many times over the past few months, with
righteous indignation of the near-racists who made the comments and a
poo-pooing of those who rightly complained about them. I agree that
Hillary was the subject of sexist banter, which was offensive to me as
a woman, but the talk and incidents WERE addressed by certain pundits
and many women. The ‘PAC’ reference – I’d never even heard of that one
(eew, how offensive). My point: some of these jabs flew right under the
radar. To Ms. Warner: in your next op-ed, will you acknowledge that
Michelle Obama is the realization of the ’60s feminist dream for women:
an educated woman who works, has (seeming) equality in her marriage,
maintains her family, and is (or seems to be) fulfilled!!! She is as
close to ‘having it all’ as we 3rd Wavers were told to strive for. Her
story is the foil to the sexism exhibited against Senator Clinton.
— Posted by Michele
2008
10:17 am
That
this column is not linked to nytimes.com home pg is, in itself, an
indicator only of our national ingrained sexism. Folk who have not
recognized the misogyny in coverage of and conversation about Senator
Clinton’s campaign are likely constrained by their own histories of
prejudices suffered for other reasons. I am 57 years old – the hated
and vilified “granny” age, scary reminder of what could and will happen
to young women who dare to age – But I feel so sad for the younger ones
that through their fears, it seems they will now have to suffer and
work through the same old sexism, the same old male hatred of mommy,
the same old name calling and vilification, the same old female buy-in
to the whole stinking lot of it. United States of Hate, all white men
created equal and still writing and ruling everything.
— Posted by Stephanie Lowder
2008
10:18 am
ok,
i agree with everything in your article, except that you left out one
thing: for better or worse, that movie is the most accurate depiction
of real, professional, adult women making difficult life choices and
having friendships with one another that i have ever seen. so try to
see past the manolos, b/c it struck a real chord. a far cry about the
one-note wonders of ‘knocked up’, etc.
— Posted by Sarah
2008
10:19 am
Your’re right,of course. Although I was an early Obama supporter, I DESPISED the sexist attacks on
Hillary from both male AND female “journalists” and
commentators.
I would have been at peace had Hillary been the candidate. But I must
admit, even though I’m a woman only a few years younger than she, I
thought the nutcracker was funny. Maybe because so often I, too, would
have liked to
smash the testicles of so many of my male “collegues” over the course
of a thirty-year career in advertising/marketing. And, despite KNOWING
SATC/TM is a caricature of females and friendships, I must admit to
suspending disbelief, (now, WHO doesn’t know when they’ve got a
latte-lip
the size of a caterpillar), tamping down any annoyance at the obvious stereotyping and vapidity
of “the girls,” and letting myself laugh and enjoy it.
— Posted by H M Mathis
2008
10:20 am
Thank
you for the article. It brought to mind Gloria Steinem’s fine column
earlier this year that had a title something like “The Woman is Never
the Front Runner.” And if I hear one more middle-aged, white, male
commentator remark on the tremendous upset of the inevitable
front-running candidate, I am going to throw my shoe at the television.
However, on the Sex and the City phenom, part of the popularity may
lie at the feet of fashion and visual froth. So few films are made with
a women’s audience in mind (except for the chick flick, romance genre)
that the opportunity to look at some fancy shoes may serve the same
purpose that a violent-adventure-fantasy-morphing robot movie satisfies
for many guys.
But again, many thanks.
— Posted by Mary Flinn
2008
10:21 am
Politically I have been torn between HRC and BO. I would love to take qualities from each and make the perfect candidate.
For those of you who are defending the popular media and the
grotesque treatement of HRC, allow some enlightenment in. The article
is NOT saying that all men are pigs, it is NOT saying that she lost
because she was a woman, and it is NOT saying the HRC was an innocent
woman…
All the article is so beautifully articulating is simply that
instead of merely pointing out HRC’s flaws, many of the media took
potshots that were based on gender. That makes those potshots
inappropriate. It is sexist and it was accepted by the country, where
Jew bashing, Muslim bashing, or Black bashing would not be acceptable
in main stream media. But bashing HRC merely for her gender was
accepted by mainstream media and the general public alike, both women
and men.
Judith… thank you so much for articulating in my heart what I have been too frustrated to express myself.
— Posted by Upstate Attorney
2008
10:21 am
This
explains why I feel so bruised and betrayed. Why I have turned away
from some of my favorite columnists and political shows. When they
attack her, villify her, I feel attacked too.
I am ashamed that in 2008 in this country this overt despicable
misogngy was so acceptable, and to point it out was to invite ridicule.
Always so hard to see women in the media play along.
Thank you for writing this, it needs to be said. And now I have to
go wake up my daughter, wishing it were a better world I was waking her
to.
— Posted by Celeste Chapman
2008
10:21 am
As a man, I was offended and disheartened by the misogyny of so much of the anti-Hillary sentiment.
But I also have a strong aversion to Hillary, based on the fact that
she’d pandered so hard to the right in the Senate that I’d lost faith
in her ideological integrity. And it didn’t help that she herself
seemed to claim her marriage to a president as leadership experience.
Hardly the stuff of a strong independent career woman.
The fact that she’s a striver and sees herself as a leader isn’t the
issue. Regardless of gender, the sense that a politician seems
hell-bent for power turns a lot of people off.
And when a message is delivered to me as an unrelenting shout, I
stop listening whether it’s a man or a woman doing the shouting.
I’m also repulsed by the “Sex and the City” phenomenon’s celebration
of brainlessness and superficiality. I’ve been told I “don’t get it.”
Which is fine by me.
In my opinion, those two poles are two sides of the same cartoon coin.
Interesting that both of them are hopelessly rooted in the last decade.
The “Sex and the City” ladies are fictional media constructs trotted out for nostalgic profit. What’s Hillary’s excuse?
Thankfully, most of the women I know fall into neither of those camps.
And I’d be happy and proud to see any number of them run the country.
— Posted by Andy
2008
10:22 am
I’m an Obama supporter, but this is right on.
— Posted by Jen
2008
10:25 am
Judith,
I think you forgot to mention one thing: the greater the threat, the
bigger the backlash. Women are more threatening than African-Americans.
There are more women than men and women outnumber men at universities
and are outperforming men in nearly all areas of academic achievement.
Men see this and are clearly responding. They understand the
implications of this for society in the near future: we will pretty
much in control of most major societal institutions. What is amazing to
me is that the older feminist don’t see this. We are on the brink of
“winning it all” and many of Hillary’s supporters don’t see it.
Interesting – the younger women do.
— Posted by Maria
2008
10:26 am
Thank
you for bringing light to these issues! Although I did not support
Clinton, I actually stopped watching the media coverage because it was
so disgusting and juvenile. My personal politics align me more with
Obama, but I recognize that Clinton is an advocate for many issues that
are important to all Americans. Her sex “gave” these pundits permission
to treat her with disrespect. Didn’t we learn anything over the past
century? Again, thanks for giving our issues a voice.
— Posted by Susan
2008
10:27 am
I
work in the msm and can tell you, watching cable news at night, I just
feel shut down. Verbally and visually I know where I stand. I look at
the women who have the “authority” to tell us the news: more cupcake,
more porn star, as the Daily Show pointed out recently, than we’ve ever
seen. I noticed two otherwise very respectable reporters cover one
primary night in cocktail dresses and stilettos.
This is apparently how professional women are supposed to look when we are exercising our authority.
Hillary brought her own baggage to this campaign, but it has been
truly frightening to see and hear the violence in public reaction to
her.
Same with Miranda – the one character who has what seems like a
normal, grown-up job – is angry and unlikeable. Thanks for your column,
I feel like I can breathe again with you putting fresh air back into
the news.
— Posted by Catherine
2008
10:27 am
I
am a 55 year old woman and an Obama supporter. I agree that the
misogynistic comments against Clinton were disgusting and reveal an
ugly sexism that still pervades our culture. Clinton’s and Obama’s
policies are virtually identical, and had she won the nomination I
would have voted for her without hesitation) However, I found it
difficult to support Clinton in the primary because her behavior
reminds me of the worst aspects of male-dominated politics — her vote
for the Iraq war (political expediency), her fear-arousing (the 3 a.m.
ad — I’m in Texas and that ad sickened me it was so Karl Rovian),
overly aggressive language (annihilate Iran comment), pandering (the
gas tax holiday), and in the Senate her refusal to vote for the ban
against cluster bombs which kill and maim countless noncombatants,
especially children, again to appear “tough.”
Whereas Obama consistently spoke using the pronoun “we,” inviting
engagement and consensus-building from all citizens, Clinton emphasized
the “I” (politician as savior). Their fundraising strategies highlight
this difference — a huge portion of Obama’s funds came from millions of
small donors. Most of Clinton’s funds came from a small group of
well-heeled, powerful donors. Obama’s approach actually seems more in
line with what I consider to be feminist values than Clinton’s which
ironically seems more old school, even patriarchal, to me.
None of this excuses the truly heinous attacks against Clinton couched
in sexist slurs. But in conversations with many women friends and with
my 30 year old daughter, I know I am not the only woman that found
Clinton’s behavior and statements disappointing and polarizing. That
cannot be blamed on sexism — she is responsible for her own voting
record and conduct during the campaign.
— Posted by Mobi Warren
2008
10:27 am
I
had the pleasure of meeting Hillary Clinton back when her husband was
running for re-election. She was meeting with a small group of
fundraisers at Tony’s in Houston, and I was there to photograph the
event for the hosts. Her arrival was not even publicized in such brazen
Bush territory, so it was an intimate, pleasant gathering with no
press. She was funny, almost hilarious. She put her arm around me when
I had my picture taken with her, and I found her to be warm, genuine,
and just plain fun to be around – someone I wouldn’t mind going out for
a few drinks with. To see her so insulted and mistreated by the goons
who occupy our newsrooms these days made me sick. Carry on, my friend
Hillary. We’ll vote for you again and again!
— Posted by Jeff B in Sioux Falls
2008
10:27 am
James Carville: “If she (Hillary) gave him one of her cojones, they’d both have two.”
Sen. Hillary Clinton: Obama is not a Muslim “so far as I know.”
Just about anything from Geraldine Ferraro.
I note all this not to minimize the appalling sexism directed at
Senator Clinton, but to note the just as appalling attacks/response
from many, a response ignored here, diminishing the power of this
otherwise thought-provoking piece. Sen. Obama went to arguably the
heart of black homophobia, the black church, to decry homophobia. Sen.
Edwards, when asked at the SC debate if he thought some would vote for
him because he was neither a woman nor black, replied, “If that’s the
only reason they’re voting for me I don’t want their vote.”
To say we never saw such a moment from Sen. Clinton is to be kind.
While, as this piece implies, the open expression of racism may be less
tolerated today, a visit to any of the comment boards during the
primaries and a scan of comments by self-proclaimed Clinton supporters
would quickly disabuse anyone of the notion it is less prevalent or
virulent.
I have not seen the Sex and the City movie, but I do know it took
till now to add a black woman, and even then as an assistant, not one
of the four friends at the story’s core. In that, it may be more
similar to the “women in charge” than Ms. Warner may care to
acknowledge, and may help explain why black women, faced with both
racism and sexism, rejected Sen. Clinton’s candidacy.
What I don’t understand and perhaps Ms. Warner can explain in her
next column (and welcome back, by the way) is why I should not believe
that the fact so many Clinton supporters loudly proclaim they would
rather vote for a white man whose first priority is to roll back Roe v.
Wade than a black man whose stance on women’s issues has been exemplary
should not be regarded as prima facie evidence of racism.
What I hope for is that the naysayers do not affect Sen. Obama or
his candidacy, allowing us to rebuild a Supreme Court where the rights
of women and minorities are not cavalierly disregarded and any
objections met with a brusque “Get over it” from Antonin Scalia.
— Posted by Andrew
2008
10:27 am
I
am reading this while a male colleague put empty cofee cups and plates
on my desk and asked another female colleague to get “them” (a group of
males having a meeting)fresh ones. Is it really 2008?!?!
— Posted by Kristen
2008
10:28 am
I
am amazed at the number of responses that either missed or ignored the
point of the article. What I would like to thank the author for stating
is that, no matter how much you personally dislike the candidate, her
views, etc., the misogynistic comments are NEVER acceptable. I am an
Obama supporter for a number of reasons, but the comments against
Hillary, some of which were even made by women, are disgusting. I am
very afraid that my generation (I am 32), has not dropped the baton
passed to us by our mothers to fight for equality and an end to
misogyny. I just hope my son and his generation will learn from our
mistakes.
— Posted by Heather
2008
10:28 am
Thank
you for this enlightening commentary on the pervasive misogyny in the
media aimed at women striving for success. When people ask me why I am
still a feminist, or question feminism’s relevance, I point to examples
like these as reasons why gender equity still hasn’t been achieved.
But something in your column struck a nerve. Something about the
girls in the audience of SATC not remembering the struggles of women
the old days of the early 90s. This is a comment that women in my
family and older female collegues have made to me, an Obama supporter,
as if to say that if I was a ‘real’ feminist or if I really understood
women’s struggles over the years I would be supporting Hillary. ‘oh,
little girl, you call yourself a feminist, but you just don’t get it.’
This is incredibly patronizing and actually turned me off of Hillary’s
supporters. I first became aware of feminism during this period, and
the struggles of women a generation ahead definitely shaped me as a
young woman. Hillary and women like her are one of the reasons why I
decided to go to an all women’s college and why I continue to be what I
consider a strong feminist. But when it comes down to choosing a
president, my experiences with gender discrimination were not the only
factor shaping my decision and to limit my decision to just that would
be irresponsible. So please, all you second wave feminists I support
and admire so much, please stop speaking of us younger third-wave or
post-feminist women as naive just because we chose not to vote for a
female presidential candidate.
— Posted by cmb
2008
10:28 am
Thank
you for being so clear about how Sen. Clinton was treated. Shamefully,
when she asserted as much, she was not taken seriously. How surprising!
Now, the msm still cannot stop talking about her–how she won’t go away.
Well, if they would just stop talking about her, she would go away.
DUH. There seems to be a need for a woman to be the topic du jour.
Hmmmm, come to think ot it–where are Paris and Lindsey???
We have come so far as a nation, yet women are still such an easy target.
— Posted by terri
2008
10:29 am
Welcome
back Judith. As many here have said, your thoughts have been missed and
I was thrilled to see a new post from you in my RSS reader this morning.
I’m still waffling as to whether it is misogyny or hardball. I used
to work for a guy that all of the women called sexist. But, when I
tried to get to the bottom of what he did that was sexist, I found that
I had been treated the same way in every circumstance. I concluded that
it wasn’t sexist, because he treated everyone that way, whether you
were male or female.
In this case, for whatever reasons, the main stream press have given
both John McCain and Barak Obama a pass on a lot of the hard questions.
They have not done so with Hillary. But, … is it sexist. Most other
candidates would have received much the same treatment.
Agreed, the contast to “Sex and the City” is stark. However, one is
escapist entertainment while the other exposes hard ball realities.
I must confess that I think Hillary would make a better president
than Barak Obama, but I have a problem with either a Bush or a Clinton
in the White House for my children’s entire lives and I think that
under Hillary or John McCain, that the polarization of the county will
persist, but under Barak Obama, there is a chance, though slim, of
meeting somewhere in the middle.
— Posted by Joel Katz
2008
10:30 am
Yes,
let’s abolish all jokes that have anything to do with gender (or
cracking nuts). All jokes that have anything to do with differences
among anything must go. What a happy, happy world you are creating.
I would have more sympathy for Senator Clinton and her supporters if
they would stop whining so much. Did Margaret Thatcher complain
incessantly about sexism when she took the reigns of the conservative
movement in the UK? How about Golda Meir? No? Right. I don’t hear it
from a number of women groundbreakers in the US, as well.
— Posted by epthorn
2008
10:31 am
Judith: This was such a great post!!! Thank you so much for writing this.
The
only nuance that I want to mention, and this is in response to some of
the posters, is that it’s not that people don’t say or feel the same
hatred/resentment towards racial minorities, it’s just not acceptable
to say these things in public. The attacks against racial minorities
are more subtle, but still discernible and nefarious, perhaps even more
so nefarious because they are so covert. Certainly, where Obama and
Clinton’s campaign is concerned, the MEDIA has been much more sexist
and downright cruel than racist. It’s amazing, nobody wants to be
called a racist, but being a sexist hey that’s not so bad. It’s very
sad, which is why we appreciate your post. Black woman are in an
interesting situation to offer insight about the intersection of the
two…
— Posted by Liz
2008
10:32 am
The
worst night had to be that of the New Hampshire primary. Matthews and
Olderman spent the hour of the pre-result show on MSNBC regaling each
other with how well Obama would do and how Clinton was toast. They were
both in full sneer. I do think that Obama faces the well known factor
of people being unwilling to concede that they won’t pull the lever for
an African American, despite what they tell poll takers.
— Posted by David
2008
10:33 am
Interesting
post. However, this article assumes one thing that I take issue with:
in what way is Hillary “earnest”? I have not seen that quality in her,
whether through her lying or dirty campaigning. As a woman, I object to
the idea that women are all ultimately earnest and men all ultimately
calculating. That meme is such an ingrained part of this post. What a
sad way to view the world.
While the sexist comments mentioned above are incredibly
unfortunate, she did this all by herself. And the more we put it on her
“female earnestness, her blue suits” the more we insult all women. It
is Obama who is truly earnest in all of his dealings with the public.
— Posted by Emily
2008
10:33 am
Dear Judith,
Your article seems to imply that the Hilary Bashing from various
quarters was mainly because she is an accomplished woman who seems to
threaten many men. You also imply that the current political
correctness concerning racial epithets, taking personal shots at
physicalities is improper and thus Hilary is just suffering from our
inability to include female bashing in these no-nos.
The debates on feminism, homosexuality, Islam and the Evangelical
movement though hot button issues now have been quarantined into the no
go zones because any one who dares mention a contrary view like bash
poor down trodden female Hilary is wrong.
These views have led to the current media sway towards parodying our
men as buffoons who are micro managed by women and vilifies any views
they many have about our conduct.
I believe unless you are willing to allow people to express what ever
views they may have on a subject and raise their concerns without
feeling as if they are Neanderthals, we will miss a large part of the
debate.
Do not use the fact that she is a female or White to excuse how she
was treated. You then seem to imply that if she was male, the same
standards will not apply. As a woman, I might not appreciate every
personal attack but I believe I enjoy certain benefits because of my
gender and some disadvantages too. I should learn to take all these and
forge ahead and foster healthier arguments.
So if Hilary was treated badly, talk about that and don’t say she did so because she is female.
— Posted by Joan Stephens
2008
10:33 am
As
a short, bald man, may I point out, among all the self-congratulatory
accolades, that your characterization of SATC’s Charlotte’s husband as
a “troglodyte”, for possession of these same two, immutable physical
characteristics reflects the very same shameful, demeaning and, yes,
hateful dispositions you decry. There is not even an “ism” for me, and
those like me. Thanks for the slap in the face. It was lovely.
Tell me to “lighten up”, it’s only a character in a movie. I dare you.
A Troglodyte
— Posted by Keith
2008
10:34 am
Hi Judith,
One question- do you not believe that she brought on a majority of
these sexist comments and actions by playing the “damsel in distress”
right before the New Hampshire primary? Those tears and sobs seemed
well orchestrated to me. I am disappointed that she displayed a
different personality almost every day on the campaign. Do not fear
though, there are many great women waiting in the wings to take on the
Presidency and her historic campaign will prove in the end a boon to
women.
— Posted by sonal abhyanker
2008
10:34 am
She
was ridculed for shedding a tear over the dreadful condition of working
men and women in this country. “Typical woman” was the bash. But
Bush/Cheney slide by for the most part because “they are strong men!”
Personally I’ll take the tearful Hillary.
— Posted by Steve R
2008
10:35 am
Thank
you poster #15. While some blacks would not support Obama until he
proved himself, I kept waiting for Hillary (it was her campaign that
decided to use her first rather than last name for reasons any
politically savvy person understands)to prove herself. She made me
cringe, and I was embarrassed for her and women. Nancy Pelosi, Madeline
Albright, even Condi Rice, are better examples of female public
servants and stateswomen. Hillary put on a three ring circus and set us
back.
I believe your almost right, Judith, about Sex and the City.
However, as a 26 year old we’ve heard so strongly from feminist like
Hillary and Murphy Brown that its nice to be told its ok to forgive
your husband and not make your career your entire life, or stay at home
and raise your kids, or not ever get marry and have kids, or marry your
fantasy man in a not fantasy way and be happy.
— Posted by Generation Y
2008
10:35 am
Joe
Lieberman is not going to be the reason ant-Semitism will either
disappear or not disappear. Jews have had millenia to realize it goes
underground but survives alive and well in the Argentina of the
cultural subsconscious.
Blacks have had many many centuries to realize the same thing: racism
doesn’t disappear because a set of laws change. It goes underground and
bubbles away. I doubt anyone in the Obama campaign was surprised that
it was alive and well, although they may have been surprised the
Clintons chose to tease it to the surface.
Women have had forever to realize a parallel thing about misogyny and
sexism; but the changes effected in America and parts of Europe in the
70’s are really only thirty years old. The initial optimism from those
changes in light of the real advances made for so many, isn’t deeply
into the disillusion phase that was bound to come.
It is an astonishing and wonderful thing that Obama has succeeded,
because it was against all the odds. It will be equally astonishing and
wonderful when a woman succeeds, and it will also be against all the
odds of the time. Any slap in the face of ugly history is a good one.
You can be sure the Obama campaign studied the mistakes previous AA
candidates made in presenting themselves, in the light of the racism
which still exists. A future woman candidate’s campaign will also have
made a study of women’s campaigns, including Senator Clinton’s, in the
light of what happened this year. Nothing will be taken for granted, as
so much was taken for granted this year.
It may be helpful to consider that perhaps the only person ever
entitled to be President of the United States was George Washington.
Everyone else has to earn it by the electoral process. We have had so
many bad Presidents, topped by the current one, that you can easily
doubt the process itself. But an alternative process that chose
candidates on the basis of victimizations and/or entitlements, both
real and vicarious, would inevitably choose Whoopi Golberg as the ideal
candidate. She’d get a lot of votes too, mine included. But we can only
imagine what the Clinton camp might have done to her.
The old dominations are passing into history, on the way to making
their comebacks. What the new ones will be no one is yet certain. The
isms that afflict us aren’t going anywhere in a hurry, and it will take
a lot of advance thinking, a lot of luck, and a lot of money each time
they have to be overcome.
— Posted by Caracol
2008
10:38 am
Sexism
and racism permeates through American culture. I agree 100% with
Stephen that “if similarly hateful racial remarks had been made about
Obama, our nation would have turned itself inside out in a paroxysm of
soul-searching and shame.” With such standards placed on race, however,
Barack Obama could never campaign for the black vote directly marketing
himself as a black person whereas Hillary campaigned marketing herself
as a woman for women’s votes. This is also why many see Hillary’s
courting of the “hardworking American, white Americans” as race-bating
but nothing wrong with her courting by gender. You can’t have it both
ways. There is something else to consider: black American’s, Jewish
people, etc. represent a minority of the population with large-scale
genocide backdrop as part of their history. This is distinct from women
who are underrepresented but still a majority group without that
backdrop. This is not to excuse or condone, it’s just to say that the
treatment of these groups should not be compared.
Regarding the argument for addressing the former Democratic
contender as Hillary, Mrs. Clinton, or Senator Clinton, I want to
remind Paul Estabrook #8 that we were encouraged by Hillary herself to
refer to her as such. On all campaign posters it says, “Hillary” in
bigger letters than it ever says “Clinton”. The campaign most likely
has done this to separate her from her husband. Her marketing has
worked. I do agree that she should be referred to as Senator Clinton
rather than Mrs. Clinton though.
— Posted by MNH
2008
10:38 am
Thank you Judith
I
wish you had been at the opening plenary session yesterday of the
National Council Research on Women, which deteriorated into a pro-Obama
rally, much to the chagrin of thoughtful feminists like Kim Gandy
(president of NOW) and Marie Wilson of the White House Project.
Essentially, they were trying to say the same thing–that Obama may be a
great candidate and may have perhaps run the best grassroots campaign
ever, but that the misogynist gamut Sen. Clinton had to maneuver meant
she never could have begun with “Let’s believe,” but needed to say,
“Let’s fight,” because men only respect a woman when she’s a fighter.
As one woman said to a roomful of applause, “What are we so sad
about. We have a Black candidate.” And women who said, yes, but we
wanted a women candidate, were met with silence. And then there were
the “holier than thous” who said that a Clinton supporter leaving the
rules committee meeting shouting “McCain ‘08″ proved that Clinton
didn’t deserve to win because an Obama supporter would never have done
that. (And we know that how?)
And when one woman dared to say that no woman could have started in
the state legislature and jumped to the Senate, and then started
running for president after one term, she was shot down as a racist.
I think you have rightly pointed out how much difficulty a female
candidate faces, even among women. I think this primary pointed out
that the road to power for women is still filled with obstacles. I
think that the issues of race began to be actually confronted and not
danced around.
But, oh, how silly some women can be, and not just Carrie and her
pals. Where are the female precinct captains that the Democrats need to
assure that women will come out to vote? The republicans have them.
Abortion isn’t the only “women’s issue,” but it’s the only one that
gets talked about. Let’s hope that the senator from Illinois will frame
his campaign to concern women’s issues so that no woman again running
for office will have to face the feeding frenzy that Senator Clinton so
gamely braved.
— Posted by a baby boomer
2008
10:38 am
I am a former supporter of Mrs. Clinton. I am male.
She came out as this strange hurtful person. If you think about
’sex’ or stereotypes of women, don’t you always hear that women are
cooperative and less aggressive than men.
She broke this stereotype but this was a good one for women. I know
not all women are cooperative especially living here in Bangkok,
Thailand. Here, many women just don’t know how to handle ‘leader ship’.
They fight a great deal amongst other women especially but I know that
asian and Thai female stereotypes and behaviors may be totally
different than American women.
I broke with her because Obama is a kind person and Clinton lost
site of her kindness. If she runs a campaign like a hurtful person that
she becomes one. One should run their campaign according to their
values, their heart, etc.
She has always been fighting and I feel very selfish. Many of her supporters think that the war is men vs. women.
The issue here is about treating one another with kindness, thinking
about what you say before you act, and being yourself. Hillary lost
herself in some other world that many blame on men.
That is unfair and a weak excuse.
She must get back to being herself and being the woman I admired for
her ability to focus herself, focus on healthcare, AND TO TRULY CARE
ABOUT MEN AND WOMEN EQUAllY.
She needs to be herself and not fake.
— Posted by Gabriel
2008
10:41 am
We
really need to have a discussion of what exactly feminism means today.
Somehow, in the eyes of the older feminists women today have become
disloyal to the cause because they chose to vote for another candidate
whom they considered better instead of blindly chosing a flawed
candidate just because she was a woman. I am one of those women who in
their opinion chose Sen. Obama and I will tell you why I did not chose
Sen.Clinton.
I respect her accomplishments, but she lost me when she tried to take
credit for some of the great accomplishments of the Clinton
adminsitration and refused to for other things like NAFTA when it
suited her. She lost me and others when she claimed 8 years of being
first lady among her governing experience. We do not elect
co-presidents, she was not vice-president as far as I know.
She passes off being first lady of Arkansas and USA in her 35 years of
experience and we are not supposed to question that. And while I think
her reason for deciding to stick with her husband is personal, it seems
to me that she woul not have done so had they been anonymous Mr. and
Mrs. Smith of suburbia USA.For all her accomplishments, her biggest
seems to be Mrs. Bill Clinton. Cluctching the coatails of a husband to
become President or a Senator makes us seem like other familial
dynasties in third world countries.
I can think of many women in business like a Carly Fiorina, Andrea
Jung, Meg Whitman, Indra Nooyi in business. Women like Nancy Pelosi,
Sarah Palin, Kathleen Kennedy Townsend, Condeleeza Rice, Madeline
Albright in politics come to mind in naming women who I would like to
see run for the Presidency. Each of them come with some baggage. But
all of them come with their own baggage arising from their actions
during offices they held, not claim experience and baggage by
association.
Hillary Clinton is no Margaret Thatcher or Indira Gandhi. She does not
have the strength that is combined with grace. Her speech on Wednesday
was an example of why people think she is narcissistic and will bury
her head in the sand and do whatever she please, whatever the cost.
— Posted by KN
2008
10:42 am
Thanks so much for this column. I wish that everyone could approach the subject with this degree of rationality and sanity.
Perhaps Senator Clinton was less than perfect, but personally, I’ve
never looked for that in a president. Hilary Clinton’s path was
littered with hurdles that Obama never faced. Yet she somehow picked
her way through the rubble and nearly reached the summit. I see that as
a tremendous victory. I just wish we could have given her the chance to
put that same tenacious intellect and drive to work for the country.
— Posted by denisek
2008
10:43 am
Thank
you for the insightful article. I applaud Hillary for running, and
coming so close. You’re right, it does seem more acceptable to make
sexist comments in “polite” company, than racist remarks. However, I
don’t think that women as a class have suffered to the same degree as
black people as a class. I am a woman and didn’t support Hillary
because I found her divisive, and felt that she was making decisions
(support for the war) based on polls, or whta would look good in a
campaign, rather than on core beliefs.
I agree that she was referred to as Hillary, rather than Senator, or
Clinton, but as Kitty (#124) said, she did “market” herself that way.
Two more things:
1) I never watched an episode of Sex and the City — ever. It seems shallow and silly to me.
2) I am well over 35, I am not a celebrity, and I DO NOT have a gut!
— Posted by Jodi
2008
10:43 am
Granted,
all of these terrible things about Hillary (the nutcracker, the never
ending remarks about her laugh, her clothes, etc.) are unnecessary,
sexist, etc. But look who you’re quoting: Tucker Carlson, Mark Rudov,
Chris Matthews, Mike Barnicle. These are some of the most insufferable,
embarrassing, filth-spewing commentators in the media, all with long
histories of saying incendiary things to get ratings. I would argue
that these voices don’t represent mainstream views about women. Who has
agency here? If women want to repudiate the sexist stereotypes of Sex
and the City, they shouldn’t spend money to see the movie.
— Posted by Gabriel
2008
10:43 am
Being
upset about the state of feminism in the U.S. is not a decent reason to
support Clinton’s campaign, or to be furious about her legitimate loss
to Barack Obama. Clinton’s foreign and gas tax policies and delegate
antics lost her my vote, as has her continual reluctance to tell her
supporters that protesting her non-nominee status by abstaining from
voting or voting for John McCain constitutes tacit approval of at least
four more years of war and conservative domestic policies. All of the
things that Clinton purportedly stands against.
— Posted by Rhi
2008
10:44 am
I
was for Hilary not only because she’s a woman but because I felt she
could have done a great job. I think her age had something to do with
it too…an older woman vs. youth. I have also worked for many horrid
women who act worse than men…cruel and down right mean…I just don’t get
that and I feel that if women want men to treat us better than we must
start with treating each other better. Honestly, we are sometimes worse
than men in the way we treat other women. It’s pathetic. I have no
interest in watching Sex and the City because frankly the show annoys
me but also I do feel like it’s full of stereotypes…espcially how if a
woman doesn’t have a man, then she is just miserable…so she shops
instead. ARGH. I do look forward to the day where bashing a woman
consistently is taken just as seriously as bashing someone who is of a
different culture or skin color. Funny how women still take the
backburner to modern day offenses. Sad really.
— Posted by Cynthia
2008
10:50 am
I
found the veiled racist comments and insinuations, many of which were
promulgated by the Clinton camp, directed at Sen. Obama to be much more
frightening, especially in the fact that many people actually took them
seriously, than any of the absurd comments that you quoted in your
article.
— Posted by Bill W
2008
10:51 am
A
careful analysis of this phenomenon (more careful than Mr. Stephen’s–on
some points I believe he is quite incorrect) will be fascinating and I
await the book or paper that does it in depth and correctly.
That there was shocking misogyny mixed in with legitimate (and illegitimate) critisism is undeniable.
But perhaps Mr. Obama showed himself to be the _better politician_
in the sense that either unconsciously or consciously, he was able to
largely avoid and overcome the issue of his race for a considerable
period of time by acting in what was perceived to be a dignified,
above-the-fray, lets-stick-to-the-issues manner. In contrast, Mrs.
Clinton slipped into the scrappy, you-want-to-see-me-fight-here-you-go
persona, and where the human male psyche is concerned, if a woman takes
the gloves off and is prepared to fight, then, the man can take the
gloves off, too.
If she had come across as scrappy-but-dignified (think Maggie
Thatcher, Dianne Feinstein), had she put herself above the fray as
well, it would have checked Mr. Obama and served her much better
overall in appealing to a wider base.
— Posted by H
2008
10:51 am
Clinton
was the victim of a great deal of misogyny, but she lost because her
corrupt value system makes her unworthy to be president. I can only
hope that now that she’s blazed the trail for a woman to be president,
the next female candidate is not such a shameful panderer.
— Posted by Emily
2008
10:51 am
I
am a 30-something African-American woman and Democratic voter with a
master’s degree from an Ivy League university. I voted for Clinton in a
primary early this year but have no particular loyalty to her or Obama,
and planned to vote for whoever got the nomination. It isn’t because I
am disinterested in politics; quite the contrary—I am just not a
follower type when it comes to politics. I have never supported a
candidate because s/he is black or a woman, a very unreliable basis for
supporting someone because it assumes your and their views are always
the same. All that said, I agree wholeheartedly that there has been a
lot of sexism directed towards Clinton. However, she lost my support
when I saw her stoop to tricks out of the Republican playbook, and say
a lot of disingenuous things that reflected very poorly on her. Her
holding out on conceding on the nomination and her aides’ attempt to
get her the VP spot by dangling her supporters or alleged fundraising
skills shows a level of selfishness that tells me she cares more about
herself than making sure the party wins in November. By the way, I have
seen SATC (movie and show) and don’t take it seriously as some people
seem to do. It’s as much entertainment as watching Jane Austen
adaptations. I live in a city with a lot of professional women who I
saw spending time with their friends on some light entertainment that
gives them a break from the challenges of daily life.
— Posted by Tanya
2008
10:53 am
Sorry,
but I cannot feel sorry for Hillary Clinton. Nor can I feel guilty that
I did not vote for her. Nor can I feel any guilt because individuals
inside and outside the media establishment made “sexist comments” about
her. It was, after all, her campaign organization that released
information implying that Barack Obama’s race gave him the win in South
Carolina. It was, after all, her campaign, that implied the Christian
Obama is a closet Muslim. It was, after all, the candidate herself who
sought to prosecute guilt by association, because Obama was on a public
service board with a former member of the Weather Underground.
Hubris is hubris, regardless of race or gender. The conduct of the
Clinton campaign moved from cockiness to “kitchen sink” campaigning. In
the end, the candidate discovered that the fruits of presumption and
hubris were, for her, just as they were for Shakespeare’s Coriolanus,
Julius Caesar, and Marc Antony.
What led to this loss for HRC was not the vile sexist sniping but
the sense of entitlement that seemed to drive her campaign. When we
vote, we vote for the candidate who best represents our hopes. The
Democrats were hoping for more than the kitchen sink.
— Posted by Joe, too
2008
10:54 am
As
a resident of Illinois who was pro-Obama from the start, and also a
feminist, I may not be qualified to comment. That said, over time I
became more and more disillusioned with “Hillary”–HER name of choice
not anything that men did to demean her, look at all those posters from
her campaign! And also by some of her most outspoken feminist
supporters. It was Gloria Steinem who first played the race card in a
Times op-ed piece saying that if Obama were a white man he’d never have
gotten so far. Why did a feminist, of all things, do that? If somebody
wants to say, well that’s just the truth–isn’t it just the truth that
HRC would never have gotten so far if she hadn’t been the spouse of a
former president? No other woman could have run or tried to, and
certainly it was her connections that made it possible. Also, all her
prominent campaign spokesmen were just that–men. Terry McAuliffe, Mark
Penn, etc. etc. For me, she didn’t run a feminist campaign and although
she accepted the loyalty of women she didn’t give them anything back.
Just putting a woman in the White House wouldn’t be enough, it’s a
matter of which woman. It’s true the first effort of a woman to run for
president has been squashed, but in the meantime there are many women
around the country in powerful political jobs: Nancy Pelosi, Katherine
Sibelius, Olympia Snowe, Elizabeth Dole, Condoleeza Rice come to mind
immediately and there are many others. As a senator, HRC voted to
further the war in Iraq; that and the fact that she let her husband
campaign for her all over the country were enough to convince me that
though HRC was certainly a woman, she was no feminist. So for feminists
to grieve seems to me just a mistake; she is not one of them.
As for Sex and the City, just about every person going to see that
movie is a woman: what does that say about “us” and how well we, thirty
years after the second wave of feminism, have done for ourselves? If
“liberation” means $1500 shoes and the right to talk sex endlessly and
take any man to bed who catches our passing fancy–well, we are only
validating the age-old idea of women as sex-crazed people who “need”
for their own good and society’s good to be kept away from power.
— Posted by henrietta
2008
10:54 am
P.S. Sex and the City is a comedy. Aren’t women allowed to laugh?
— Posted by Emily
2008
10:56 am
I
was an Obama supporter from the beginning but as a white 47-year-old
woman I was very willing to vote for Sen. Clinton if she won the
nomination. It was a close call between the two.
However, I believe that Sen. Clinton failed to address the true
issues of feminism/sexism/misogyny in her campaign. Despite her
“womanhood”, she was the front-runner, had masses of financial support
and broad support from both men and women across the country. This only
fell apart when it was clear that she was trying to play both sides of
the feminism fence, i.e. vote for me because I’m a woman and it’s time
for a woman to win, but on the other hand, don’t bring up the fact that
I’m a woman and don’t treat me like a woman in a man’s world. That,
combined with her efforts to prove how “manly” she could be, testicles
and all, and her reliance on the Clinton name (not Rodham) completely
destroyed her ability, in my opinion, to be the right woman candidate
to break the glass ceiling. I hope to vote for a woman someday, but not
this one.
For those that are mad at Obama because he won, I don’t recall him
using her gender against her, only the media. Why punish Sen. Obama and
indeed the Democratic party for the sins of the media?? Are we trying
to help out Rush Limbaugh and his Operation Kaos?? How does that help
women in the future at all?
One final point – as for Sen. Clinton being called “Hillary” I
believe that was her choice. All of her campaign signs read “Hillary”.
Can’t blame that one on sexism.
— Posted by Bethany
2008
10:57 am
I
agree with your comments, but I think the real issue here is two-fold:
young girls are socialized by both mom and dad to be submissive,
“lady-like” and to not ask for things until they are asked. Young boys
are socialized to go for what they want, explore and exude forwardness.
Socialization begins before school. I think some effort needs to be
made by mothers with influential young daughters to be cognizant of the
way they pay for things everyday, the way they ask for things without
being asked and the way they go after what they want.
Secondly, I think the female voice needs to be marketed by the media as
powerful; I am thankful for writers like you who do such justice.
As a young woman, I wish I knew how to be more powerful, and more
forward without being naggy, but it is very difficult when this
archetype is so deeply ingrained in our society.
— Posted by Alyssa
2008
10:57 am
I
have trouble contrasting the presidential election with Sex and The
City, because the show and movie were created as escapist
entertainment. In making that kind of comparison, I think Warner does a
disservice to her premise.
More importantly, I find the suggestion that it’s antithetical to
feminism for women to enjoy the film, or for women to make an evening
of seeing the film with other women, to be condescending and
ridiculous. Would we ever declare a man who plays golf on a Saturday
afternoon or goes out with his friends to a movie to be, for just those
reasons, anti-feminist? Or even anti-Good-Man? Of course not. Why,
then, infer such a thing about a woman?
If white men can be rich, poor, educated, ignorant, artistically
high-brow, pop-culture-savvy, religious, spiritual, gay, straight,
evil, holy, passionate, indifferent, bitter, cynical, hopeful,
encouraging, adventurous, charming, inspiring, pathetic, losers,
role-models, weak, powerful, athletic, geeky, superficial, profound,
brave, pathetic, and, ultimately, HUMAN AND IMPERFECT, then why can’t
everyone?
— Posted by Will
2008
10:58 am
Judith,
Thank you. Couldn’t have been said more eloquently. And thanks for
pointing us to the You-Tube montage. I’m forwarding it to everyone I
know.
— Posted by dclb
2008
10:59 am
Many
of the statements made by those idiot pundits were indeed sexist, but I
take issue with Chris Matthews’ comment being sexist:
“The reason she’s a U.S. Senator, the reason she’s a candidate for
president, the reason she may be a front-runner is her husband messed
around.”
This is simply a statement of truth. Even if you don’t believe that
Bill “owed” her for the Lewinsky affair, she is no self-made woman.
Consider that the bulk of her loudly touted “experience” was being
first lady for 16 years.
Can anyone tell me what Golda Meir’s husband’s name was? Just sayin’
— Posted by EG
2008
10:59 am
Thank
you, thank you, a million times thank you for writing this. I am not an
(H.) Clinton supporter, but the media’s treatment of her and the jokes
that were allowed to fly at her expense — the racist parallels of which
would have caused riots in the streets — were horrific and woman-hating
in the worst way. Your critique of “Sex” is the first reasonable thing
I’ve read about that terrible specimen of “post-feminism” to date.
Please continue to explore these topics frequently.
— Posted by Diana B, women’s health writer
2008
11:00 am
Thank
you for letting people realize what our nominees have done to Senator
Clinton. I am ashamed that Barack used the “im a male your a female and
we all know that im going to win it becasue of that” card, even though
not for one moment Senator Clinton used the “im white your black and
you cant do better than me because of that” card. I will not vote for
Barack in the fall if Senator Clinton is not on the ballot as VP. As a
female college student, i do believe that our country deserves better
than Barack, if Senator Clinton was his running mate then he would have
gained some of the respect from me, but otherwise, it looks like we
will yet again have males running our country. I hope Hillary runs for
president the next election, because America will still be in the shit
hole that we are in now with the idiot we have to call a president
until January of next year. Also, could someone please write about the
18 plus million votes that Senator Clinton recieved, and she didnt get
the nomination? I thought that every vote counts, not the delegates
that Barack got, but obviously our voices can not be heard when they
are not wanted to be heard by the government, so if you want a democrat
back into the white house, you need to make sure he doesnt get the
popular vote, but that he gets lucky like he did this round and get all
of the Delegates and Electorial votes.
— Posted by KCordova
2008
11:01 am
Thanks
so much for these words. Throughout this campaign, the media has made
me want to weep and rage (alternately and continually). Hillary is an
amazing woman (all politics aside) to stand so firmly in the face of it
all. And I’m not so sure she didn’t actually win…
— Posted by Marti
2008
11:04 am
Thank you for this. It is so reassuring that I am not the only one feeling this way.
— Posted by Emily
2008
11:05 am
As
a feminist who is proud to have received an education at Smith College,
arguably the best women’s college in the country and home to many
feminists such as Betty Freidan and Gloria Steinem, that video made me
angry and so, so upset. It reminds me that the “bubble” I experienced
in college, of a place where women were valued for their brains, wit,
and character over superficial appearances, is just that – a
fantasyland. How sad. I have long been an Obama supporter, but the
raging misogyny and sexism against HRC has been appalling. Thank you
for posting this, Judith.
— Posted by lauren
2008
11:06 am
Thank You Judith!
What disturbs me most is that many comments posted here continue to
excuse blatent mysogeny by expressing their personal issues with
Senator Clinton. I don’t care how you feel about her or who you voted
for – sexism is still sexism. While people gleefully held up signs
reading “Hillary, iron my shirts,” no one would dare hold up a sign
that read “Barack, pick my cotton.” All I’m asking for is a level
playing field were the media is truly unbiased.
— Posted by Nicole
2008
11:06 am
The point is not whether Hillary deserved to win or lose this campaign based on policy, personality or tactics.
The point is that coverage of her campaign was biased. What was
often said about her was unacceptable and irrelevant and these comments
should not be ignored just because one does not like Hillary Clinton.
Corrine
— Posted by Corrine
2008
11:06 am
American women seem so self-loathing and viscerally envious of each other. Hillary never had a chance.
Take my woman friend, who works on Wall Street, who complains daily
how some younger, less experienced golden boy just got the promotion
she worked so hard for. Yet she absolutely detests Hillary, saying that
but for Bill, Hillary never accomplished anything on her own, that
while Obama is less experienced and the new kid on the block, what
little he did accomplish he accomplished on his own. When I point out
to her the contradiction in her perspective of self vs Hillary, her
fury against Hillary just increases.
The younger generation of women look down on Hillary. Hillary’s
generation is at once envious and loathing of her. Only the generation
older than Hillary’s sees clearly the stakes.
— Posted by Theo
2008
11:08 am
Without
minimizing the offensiveness of the sexism that surfaced in response to
the HRC campaign, I do wonder whether it was outcome determinative. In
other words, all of us hold prejudices of some kind. It seems to me
that it only matters when it shapes the outcome, and we are unable to
look past our prejudices at the moment of decision. I think a lot of us
(myself included) were open to HRC at the outset but were ultimately
repulsed by her tactics and the appalling way in which her campaign
deliberately sought to stoke racial and class divisions. But I doubt
very much that the outcome of the primary season was determined by
sexism.
— Posted by Jonathan in DC
2008
11:08 am
The
other comments have pretty well said it. As a mother, grandmother and
university-educated woman I have experienced the blatent misogyny in
our society that has been tolerated by women in the hope to avoid
seeming “unfeminine”.
Hillary has earned high public office and would have achieved it on
her own had she not had the dubious drawback of being a loyal wife. Her
standards are too high for our nasty society to appreciate.
— Posted by mary browning
2008
11:08 am
Sexism, racism and so many other ‘isms’ exist in this world.
It is how a person overcomes those ‘isms,’ and achieves their goals, that sets the individual apart.
How did Margaret Thatcher, Indira Gandhi, Golda Meier & Angela Merkel get elected to lead their countries?
Is there no sexism outside of the United States?
The political systems in many countries maybe different, yet the ‘isms’ do exist.
— Posted by ids
2008
11:08 am
An excellent expression of how many women are feeling, Judith. Thank you.
Though I voted for Obama in the New Hampshire primary, I am a gray
haired older woman and mother who has felt strangely “left out” or “not
seen” by Obama and his vision for “change.” I keep asking myself now,
what is it that I want to see him do to reinvigorate my excitement
about his candidacy?
One way he could do it would be by appointing a council or
commission made up of old and young people that would cast a critical
eye toward our popular culture and its portrayal of women. I am the
mother of teenage boys, and I am dismayed by the accepted societal
level of violence and sexual degradation of women that permeates the
media message toward young people–from the steady stream of horror
movies depicting women being slashed and victimized in horrible ways,
to television series that seem to depend on women victims for their
plot threads, to hip hop lyrics that depict women as whores and sex
toys, and to video games that actually weave violence towards women
into their point system.
As a mother, I am constantly trying to deflect these messages from
my sons, or at least to debate them when they make their way into our
lives. But the media onslaught often seems overwhelming and I feel
helpless to defend against attitudes that our society and culture seem
to endorse.
To my sons and to all of us I simply want to cry out: When are we
going to start becoming critical observers and consumers of the media
content we digest? When are we going to stop accepting the depiction of
violence and abuse toward women as a behavioral norm? When are we going
to start becoming aware that there is a connection between the media
messages we absorb and the attitudes we project in our daily lives?
I am a confirmed Democrat, and I will have no problem voting for
Obama in the general election. But because of the way the primary
season has gone–and the clearly sexist treatment Senator Clinton has
endured–a little of the sheen over Obama’s campaign has worn off for
me. That sheen could be pretty quickly restored, however, if he and his
campaign would put some real energy behind recognizing and condemning
the deeply ingrained expressions of gender discrimination and even
hatred that exist in our culture.
— Posted by Anne
2008
11:12 am
Is
it not possible to imagine a more inclusive feminism? Must feminist
thought pertain exclusively to rights of women? Is there not a branch
of feminism that looks after the rights of African Americans (indeed,
of all minorities)and that takes joy in the nomination of a African
American man?
Who can fault Senator Clinton for her striving? No one. And as for
policy issues, what Democrat does not commend her drive to establish
universal health care?
What so many of her level-headed detractors deplore is just _how_
she strove for the nomination. Almost weekly: lies, half-truths, vague
directives to slander an African American opponent, incredible
endorsements of the ‘readiness’ of John McCain but not of Senator
Obama, a refusal to acknowledge how galvanizing Sen. Obama is and how
much he means to a post-boomer generation of voters, and finally, her
insistent ‘preservation of deniability’ – which was fully on display in
her non-apology about the RFK assassination reference. Striving on and
on in the hopes that some terrible event might ‘befall’ her opponent?
Is this the face of feminism? Is this the idol of your nostalgia?
Hillary Clinton versus Carrie Bradshaw is false binary. It has
prevented some greater soul searching as to what today _ought to count_
as a more inclusive, more tolerant feminism. You write elegantly,
forcefully, and I have always great admiration for your work. And I
will someday share it with my young daughter. But I am deeply, deeply
hesitant to teach my daughter of Senator Clinton’s supposedly ‘glass
shattering’ campaign. One cannot separate the STRIVING (as if it were
some Platonic ideal) from the actual details of the campaign. Words do
count. Not just the feminine voice that speaks them.
The Democratic party is divided today, but why not the state of feminism? Where is the internal debate?
— Posted by Anthony
2008
11:13 am
Thank
you for this. I’m hoping in time that Hillary herself will speak to the
sexism spouted so shockingly easily by so much of the media during her
presidential campaign. For her future in politics, it may be bad
strategy, but I am hoping it anyway, because that’s where she would
really shine in my eyes.
As a woman, I felt personally humiliated the day I was on CNN.com
and watching Hillary speak with an add not two inches away for the
infamous Hillary nutcracker, proposed as a gift for Valentine’s day in
an ad from overstock.com. I couldn’t believe my eyes. I was so
outraged, I wrote about 20 emails immediately and began to boycott
CNN.com.
Again, thank you. We cannot say it enough. And juxtaposing it with
SEX and the CITY is very pertinent. There’s a book to be written in
there somewhere… just a thought.
— Posted by Jane Lainey
2008
11:13 am
Thank
you Thank you so much for this. As a woman in her late twenties and
recent graduate student, I have been feeling very alone these days.
Most of the women who are my peers think 1) I am wrong when I say
sexism still exists and 2) can’t understand why I don’t love “Sex in
the City”. It greatly disturbs me that the women on that show are their
role models while they say hateful things about Ms. Clinton. And I
believe the two are related. And while men help create this climate, I
am surprised and heartened by the number of men (my father included)
who really supported Clinton. It is time for young women to learn to
support each other. And to understand how important it is. Sadly, I am
afraid they would rather watch four shallow women who have nothing
better to talk about then shoes and compare notes about the men they
have slept with.
This week I made a promise to myself. I will stop complaining and find
a way to change this attitude. To help women learn to support each
other. Because I am woman who strives and will continue to.
— Posted by Liz
2008
11:13 am
I
agree that sexism was hideously apparent in this campaign, but it is
nothing new. Those of us who work in professions that are dominated by
men regularly hear or are at the receiving end of comments similar to
those suffered by Sen. Clinton. We don’t use tears or proclaim
ourselves victims, we shoulder our way through the hostility and do our
jobs well, we find ways to put the offenders in their places. Sen.
Clinton ran a great campaign, but did not help any of us by behaving so
gracelessly in defeat. I felt my face literally flush with shame when I
heard descriptions of her last rally and listened to (male)
commentators talk about the bruised “feelings” of the candidate and her
supporters and the need to give them “time to accept” her defeat. Her
dying campaign reeked of crying jags and smelling salts, two things I
thought had gone out of fashion long ago.
— Posted by luigia simonich
2008
11:15 am
For
Bob # 36 and others,the point is simply that “red neck geek” and the
like are NOT constantly thrown @ male candidates, the way the
nutcracker business was lobbed at Ms. Clinton.
And how she ran her campaign is not the issue here; ugly treatment for a woman is the issue. Thanks, Judith.
— Posted by Marian Woodall
2008
11:16 am
“an adoring troglodyte of a husband (so short, so bald, and yet so good with the gelt)”
Much as many women develop a gut after 35, many men go bald. And there’s not much they can do about being short.
Judith Warner would be more credible if she did not respond to sexism with more of the same.
— Posted by GB
2008
11:16 am
Thank you to the commenter who quoted bell hooks.
This entire conversation/rant about gender is happening as if: an
entire 3 decades of Black/women of color writings (and women’s
postcolonial writings) have not occured, deepening our understanding of
“woman” as a social category and “sexism.” It is as if no one has
anything to say about “women” except white women who supported Clinton
and who are disappointed because she lost and cannot come to grips with
the fact that someone else won and who are wedded to a simplistic/1970s
identity discourse in which they are the voice for all women… (see,
that universe of “woman” gets smaller and smaller, doesn’t it?).
Also: Noonan’s article in the WSJ (yes, Noonan) is very interesting,
especially the part about the web-based strategy of creating an “angry
white woman” contingent to advance the Clinton campaign even AFTER the
primaries are over and someone else won and the winner gets to choose
his VP and has said (politely) he doesn’t choose her…
I would suggest reading Noonan’s piece, and come back and read the first 100 or so comments here.
Just saying…
— Posted by mphillip
2008
11:17 am
Twelve
years ago I began asking people whether they thought we’d have a
non-white male for president before we had a woman. My prediction was
the non-white male. I thought then, and still do, that sexism is more
deeply entrenched that racism.
— Posted by Syd
2008
11:18 am
thank
you, thank you. for all of us who have shouted down during social
events and otherwise civil dinner parties when we bring it up, thank
you.
- TLL, San Francisco
— Posted by TLL
2008
11:18 am
No
doubt, Hillary’s been maligned in an overtly sexist manner. But there
were plenty of reasons for a progressive to oppose her candidacy. Much
has been made, rightly, of the not-so-democratic Bush then Clinton then
Bush then (possibly) Clinton dynasty issue, her record of support for
the Iraq war, her close ties with lobbyists, her family’s shady
financial dealings, etc. Tucker Carlson and a commentator from Fox News
are easy examples for highlighting sexism in the media coverage of this
campaign. They’re pathetic. (The sad thing, of course, is that millions
listen to them and relate!) But when it comes to the case of Hillary
Clinton as a candidate, we’re not really able to isolate the variable
of what effect sexism had on her candidacy simply because she has stood
for so many bad things that thinking people are right to oppose. Even
though she was done wrong, and she most certainly was–at the end of the
day, the bigger issue is that many people, including women and
liberals, were right to oppose her and to decide she would have been
bad for the country. Still, it’s a sad statement about the state of
gender equality in this country that she was put through what she was.
We’ve got a long way to go…
— Posted by ben
2008
11:22 am
To
me it is was more unsettling to see hordes of women supporting Clinton
just because she is a woman. The suggestion that a few slip-ups from
old school sexist commentators somehow justifies women uniting into a
sisterhood in support of a female politician is a bit ludicrous, when
the vast majority of men are in fact unbiased.
— Posted by stephen de las Heras
2008
11:22 am
The misogyny clearly present in the video is very disturbing. Yes, sexism is alive and well in the U.S.
As hateful as so many comments about Hillary Clinton are, sexism
does not account for her failure to be the Democratic presidential
candidate this year.
Three months ago I could truthfully say that I would be happy to
vote for either Hillary Clinton or Barack Obama. After seeing how
Senator Clinton has conducted her campaign,however, I lost a lot of
respect for her. The negativity, attack dog style of Senator Clinton’s
campaign alienated me, as did her evident sense of entitlement to be
the Democratic nominee. Contrary to whatever the Clinton and Bush
families may think, the presidency is not a bauble to be tossed back
and forth by a privileged few.
As for those Clinton supporters who are considering voting for John
McCain, I want to ask them to consider whether their distress and anger
over Hillary Clinton’s defeat is a valid reason to vote for a candidate
who has consistently voted against issues of great importance to women,
and who has already announced that his judicial nominees would increase
the likelihood that women would no longer have control over their
reproductive rights.
— Posted by Bonnie
2008
11:24 am
Hillary’s
loss had nothing to do with gender. She loss because of her strategy
and her attitude. Her strategy consisted primarily of personal attacks
on Obama more than anything else. Please remember, she started as the
front-runner with name recognition and contacts. Obviously, something
went wrong.
He didn’t dare claim he was running as a black candidate and trust me, there are no advantages to being a black male in America.
— Posted by Harold E. Wiggins
2008
11:25 am
It
is a MYTH: “to note that if similarly hateful racial remarks had been
made about Obama, our nation would have turned itself inside out in a
paroxysm of soul-searching and shame.”
Similarly hateful racial remarks WERE MADE! In fact, many Obama
campaign offices were vandalized with hateful and destructive actions.
And, I’ve heard comments from people.
The difference is that Barack Obama did not play the victim nor even
want to acknowledge this ugliness. Which has made it seem like a non
issue.
Sexism is there if you want to see it. It’s not there if you rise above it.
— Posted by Kathleen
2008
11:25 am
It
has been so painful to watch my 13 year old daughter follow her first
presidential campaign and see (and FEEL) the hatred directed at Ms.
Clinton…. so many of her friends’ parents, Obama supporters, swore
they’d vote for McCain if Clinton won the nomination! I’m so glad
you’ve written this.
— Posted by hjs
2008
11:25 am
Politics
and failure are both many splendored things. The fate of the women’s
movement? Ah, the fate of all political movements that were at the core
mostly just the bourgeois fighting over the place at a table that only
the bourgeois were ever going to be given. What happened to the womens’
movement? First a question: was there ever really a womens movement?
It’s starting to sound like the “anti-war” movement that started to
collapse as soon as a bunch of yuppies were no longer at risk.
— Posted by B.
2008
11:27 am
One
of the problems was that Hillary did not know how to walk the minefield
- she thought that if SHE ignored the sexism, it would become a
non-issue, and she was mistaken.
She might have taken a page from Obama’s book, in that he found ways
to directly approach racism without victimizing himself in the process.
p.s. Driving While Black has hardly been ‘well acknowledged’ or
‘properly condemned’. Lives of men & women are being taken all over
the country because of stereotypical fears of people with dark skin.
Lives lost, lives ended, lives cut short. This issue cannot be
under-stated, and certainly not compared to other struggles – as valid
& difficult as they may be.
— Posted by rita
2008
11:27 am
I
acknowledge that the attacks on Hillary are sexist. I also hate Sex in
The City; it’s pernicious nonsense and I hope it disappears from the
cultural landscape before my daughters, now 9 and 7, graduate from the
Disney Channel (another purveyor of pernicious nonsense, but that’s a
different subject for a different post). But I’m glad Hillary Clinton
lost and it will ultimately be better for those who want a woman to be
president that she did. The first woman President of the United States
should be the American version of Margaret Thatcher, Angela Merkel or
Golda Meier. Whatever one may think of their varying ideologies,
policies and personal styles their accomplishments were truly their own
and they overcame even more obstacles than Hillary Clinton ever faced
while enjoying none of her advantages.
— Posted by Ken
2008
11:27 am
I
think the whole news-entertainment enterprise needs an overhaul. While
I hate that they used sexist commentary (I believe as much because they
irrationally despise Ms. Clinton as they are horribly anti-feminist), I
hate more that they have turned politics into a baseball game. The race
is more about strategy and style than information and substance for a
decision that the people have to make.
But, they should be fired, or at least publicly apologize, over their awful, sexist comments.
— Posted by John
2008
11:28 am
Bravo for Comment #36 (”Chris”); I couldn’t say it better and won’t try.
While one must of course agree w/ JW re the MSM sexist,
inappropriate, and un-PC “jokes” made at Senator Clinton’s expense, she
did not lose the primary election because of poor treatment from the
media. She lost it because so many voters (myself included) came to
realize that her ruthlessness, lack of integrity and overwhelming
meglomania made her a potentially dangerous, dictatorial president. We
loathed it in Karl Rove, et al, and it’s not acceptable for a democrat
either, man or woman.
As for JW’s disparagement of Sex and the City: if you think smart,
accomplished, serious, professional, intellectual women (add more
adjectives if you wish!) can’t take a break and enjoy identifying with
that generous-spirited silliness for a couple of hours, I’d like to
know what you do for fun.
— Posted by Julie
2008
11:28 am
Thank you!
— Posted by aesarax
2008
11:28 am
Well done. Thank you.
— Posted by Kim
2008
11:28 am
In Total Agreement regarding the sexist rhetoric aimed at Hillary Clinton.
But…
Can we trust men to run the country when they get so consumed in
something as trivial as sports? How can they be expected to take on
Serious Jobs when they spend so much time glued to the TV watching The
Game?
Serious people can have frivolous interests. Including all those
tomboys and metrosexuals out there who have frivolous interests more
typical of the opposite gender.
— Posted by Me
2008
11:30 am
A
lot of this has to do with the fact that most Americans now get their
“news” and information from television and self-selected online
sources. The line between news and entertainment has been blurred.
Commentators are awarded credibility and celebrity whether they deserve
it or not. We get sound bites, ridiculously shortened and dumbed down
recitations of events. The events go on in the background and the
commentator becomes the star who can say anything and get away with it.
It brings out the worst and because something is said on TV it gains
momentum. Senator Clinton is not a saint but she got a bad deal from
televised media. We assign them way too much power by listening to
their rantings way too much. If the process is shallow and panders to
such things as sexism, it is our fault for allowing it to be so.
Thank you, Ms. Warner, for this thoughtful article.
— Posted by MJ Moss
2008
11:30 am
Did
anyone notice that in his acceptance speech Obama referred to all the
groups of new voters who came out: “young people, African Americans,
Hispanic Americans, women.” He lumps us into that category. Women are
not a minority!
Also interensting to note the anti-HIllary diatribes posted here
(always the longest comments) attempt to explain her “failings” in a
rational way, but as usual, can’t come up with anything substantive -
just weak trumped-up justifications for a gut reaction against her.
— Posted by Mary
2008
11:31 am
Thank you!
The worst has been facing cries that I am irrational…emotional…hysterical whenver I have tried to discuss this with some people.
— Posted by TS
2008
11:32 am
Excellent
article which will hopefully inspire men and women alike to reflect on
their own contribution to this tragic state of affairs.
— Posted by Lisamarie
2008
11:33 am
As
a 20-something female, I don’t really think sexism had a lot to do with
Hillary losing the primaries. Six months or a year ago, everyone
expected Hillary to trounce Obama. Her womanness hasn’t changed since
then…but the way she ran her campaign was. It, and the attitudes of her
professor, showed she isn’t capable of wielding more nuanced power–
strong-arming is a relic of the Cold War.
That Media Center clip is absolutely appalling– but at the end of
the day, me, and all of the people I know, chose the candidate we
thought would take this country in the direction we wanted it to go
over the next eight years. We don’t want to turn the clock back to the
1990s– it’s time to move forward.
— Posted by Amanda
2008
11:34 am
While
I agree a bit with what Judith said, there was bound to be a backlash
on either side, female or black, by the loser. That’s the pitfall of an
historic race. One is bound to look for excuses when injured by a loss.
But we must climb that hill, however painfully, to be able to move on.
Feminists think that HIllary only succeeded if she won the nomination
outright (”first women on a major ticket!!!); well she made the
necessary inroads for women to open the doors for the next candidate.
Thank you Hillary. Now get out of the way.
And if you’re watching Tucker Carlson or Fox News then you have larger problems than sexism in your life.
— Posted by Simon
2008
11:34 am
I
can honestly say that I felt I was the only one bothered by the way
Senator Clinton was treated both in the political world and “comedy”
land. I’m SOOOO glad to hear that someone is speaking up about it. I
don’t want her to be president, but I do want her to be respected for
the position she has already earned and the gender she represents.
— Posted by Rebecca
2008
11:35 am
I would turn the proposition around: what is sexist is the candidacy of Hilary Clinton
Mrs Clinton is obviously having a career because she is the spouse
of an ex president and ran a campaign using every possibly dirty trick
out of a bad-boy-politician book.
Should we had supported Mrs Tatcher just because she is a woman?
— Posted by Davide Verotta
2008
11:36 am
Things
haven’t changed much in the past thirty years. Working in corporate
human resources I witnessed the same type of male behavior toward
smart, talented and powerful women as that portrayed in this article.
While blue collar men were proud of their successful executive partners
and friends, college educated corporate males had a hard time accepting
that a woman would get the promotion they wanted without some
extra-curricular activity.
Having been the object of the following comment I know how Hillary Clinton feels:
“You remind me of my ex-wife” said by a high-level corporate executive
to his female executive subordinate when he disagreed in a
“professional” discussion. Mike Barnacle is not the only one who has
problems with women because he went through a divorce.
There are so many other examples of how sexism in politics is the same
as in the workplace. AND NOONE IN THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA THINKS THERE IS
ANYTHING WRONG WITH IT. That’s what I really cannot understand.
— Posted by ellen retterer
2008
11:36 am
Thank
you. All women–not just Senator Clinton–have been damaged by these
events. Now more than in the last 20 years it has become appropriate to
make deeply sexist, hateful comments about women. If we ever wanted a
lesson on the impact of media, we have had it in this election. They
bashed and vilified Senator Clinton while proclaiming Barack messianic.
What a surprise that she lost the election. Have we ever had an
election in which the media had such a profound influence on the
outcome?
— Posted by Becky
2008
11:36 am
Hillary
Clinton was treated unfairly by the media, as many are. Perhaps the
liberal media is not so liberal when it comes to women? And Sex and the
City was a funny, fairy-tale of a movie. So what if lots of women
wanted to get together and have a few laughs?
— Posted by cas
2008
11:37 am
And
having just been reminded… sexism by a bunch of ignorant yahoos is the
least of our problems. The response to it? Stop trying to get the
approval of fools. Right now we have larger problems, and as much of an
Obama supporter as I wasn’t, we could use someone who remembers the
Constitution in the WH. And frankly, I don’t entirely trust Clinton in
that regard. McCain is pushing forward the Bushite doctrine of
expansive Presidential power to wiretap and invade the privacy of
Americans, all the while spending his time on his knees to the torture
policies of the same administration. If some fool thinks that we need
to spend our time endless discussing this one, well, I question their
intellectual integrity, their intelligence, and their capacity for
making ethical judgements.
— Posted by B.
2008
11:37 am
PS– the real killer has been the clear misogyny of so many WOMEN, my own friends included…it is really frightening.
— Posted by HJS
2008
11:37 am
For
the hundredth time in this comment list — thank you so much for the
gift of your indignation, for giving voice to the ugliness that marked
the reporting on HRC, and for making us all aware of the wmc video
montage … I find all of it saddening, makes me wonder how come I stood
by and let the incidences I was aware of happen without comment for all
these months… but what, oddly, gets me to the core is that a particular
culture hero of mine took part in it — I was sick to see Christopher
Hitchens in the montage. I know there is no shaming “Hitch,” so I won’t
even remotely finger-wag … just ugh… you too? How hard it’ll be to
stomach reading or watching him now …
— Posted by christine
2008
11:38 am
As
someone who grew up under the vicious shadow of Margaret Thatcher I
learned at an early age that voting based on gender would be a big
mistake. Now as a successful 43-year-old woman with her own business, I
have to agree with the poster above who called for more of an
examination of older woman discrimination of younger women in business.
All of my worst bosses have been women and their attacks have all been
personal not objective. This saddens me greatly because I looked to the
older generation as role models until I was actually exposed to their
bitterness as I tried to build a career. My visceral reaction to
Hillary Clinton over the past year (I was okay with her before she
started campaigning) was informed by these experiences. I recognized
the woman who would say anything to win. I recognized the woman who
felt so entitled she had to lash out at her rivals (make no mistake, if
her opponent had been another woman, her campaign would have been
equally, if not more, nasty). I saw the woman who was willing to drop
her own identity “Hillary Rodham Clinton” to “Hillary Clinton” because
that’s what would play well in middle America.
Of course there’s a segment of the population that will always fear
successful women who didn’t just stay home to raise babies (watch in
the coming months for a wave of vitriol against Michelle Obama), but
the many women who were turned off of Hillary Clinton did not walk away
because of Sex and The City. We did so because she simply doesn’t
resonate with us and the feminism we embrace is one that allows us to
make informed decisions without being bullied into choosing the woman
at any price.
— Posted by Siobhan
2008
11:38 am
Oh
PLEASE. I agree wholeheartedly with your comments about the horrifying
way Hilary Clinton has been treated in the media which, afterall, is
nothing but a lookingglass. But comparing it to the summer movie Sex
& the City? C’mon. Charlotte isn’t with Harry for the money …it was
HER apartment on Park before he moved in, and she didn’t work BEFORE
she married him. The point is that she’s with a short, bald guy who has
a heart of gold. That relationship proves there are things BEYOND
looks. In that way you could argue that the movie is more progressive
than real life…when was the last time you heard of a man dating a woman
who had a little gut and frizzy hair but was really, really sweet?
Single women flocking to the movie are doing so because it’s a fairy
tale pure and simple, where female friendships boost you up and you
believe that there may just be a happily ever after. How soon women
seem to forget after they march down the aisle but if you’re single and
you don’t believe in a happily ever after you’d pretty much just want
to shoot yourself. The voice of the tv show was of the single woman
who, maybe made some mistakes, maybe was still getting it together, but
through it all deserved to be loved. The movie confirms for her — even
if its a fake fairy tale with $25 million apartments and fancy shoes —
that she will. If you can’t get that, frankly, you’re too old to be
seeing the movie anyway. And the choices that these women make — and
the choices of the women who go see it — should be acceptable without
judgement. After all, isn’t feminism, at its heart, about not judging
each other’s choices?
— Posted by Ellen
2008
11:39 am
Thank God someone had the courage to say something like this.
The collective response to Hillary from the beginning has been the
butt of jokes while Obama is held up as a saviour. Any criticism of him
is invariably held up as racist. This is patently unfair and moreover,
deeply patronizing to African Americans. Of course, and I need to say
this to avoid charges of racism, racist attacks should be condemned.
However, we are looking for equality and Obama got a free ride for the
most part.
Obama speaks in a deep voice and is very moralistic and everyone
believes that he is absolutely nothing like a politician. This is a
joke. Hillary through her association with Bill is the ultimate
soul-less politician by contrast. Both are deeply ambitious souls and
opportunistic. Let’s be realistic.
Thanks again.
— Posted by David Thomas
2008
11:39 am
While
the piece was definitely a fire starter, what did it do? I can only
hope, as a young adult, that my generation, unlike yours, can begin to
address the issues of race, gender, and class in a more meaningful and
direct fashion. Instead of lingering in front of laptops, pouring their
complaints into a word file perhaps we should be raising our voices in
unison against the degradation taking place all around us.
— Posted by Jack
2008
11:42 am
Thank
you for many strong points. I so appreciate your illumination of the
many blatant sexist actions by the media. However, as a 51-year-old
feminist who teaches many young college women,I believe the aging
sisterhood needs to look a the world through a lens other than our own.
This younger generation wants very much to embrace its version of
fashion femininity, and doesn’t see an inconsistency. This just “is.”
We had our own inconsistencies in our day (speak first if you never
watched soaps in the days when they didn’t take on social issues.) Many
of these young women, when asked, will say that they aren’t feminists
because they don’t want to “hate men,” or “look bad.” We need to do
something other than wag our aging fingers at them and scowl, thus
re-enforcing their stereotype. We need to hear all of their
concerns–even the superficial ones; understand that they haven’t come
up bumping their heads on glass ceilings, and form a bond. On the
bright side? This generation of young women is powering into politics
and every othere avenue of life. They are educating themselves and
engaging deeply in public service. We helped make this possible, and
need to continue passing the baton. We older feminists need to be
careful that our club door is wide enough for all women, be they
wearing Birkenstocks or Blahniks.
— Posted by Nancy
2008
11:42 am
If
there are ever any strides to be made towards a more equal society we
must first teach our little girls to support and love one another no
matter what their interests or strengths. It does women no good to
belittle one another’s choices of being a a stay at home mother, a
political leader, a doctor, or a teacher. None is better, or worse,
then the other. If we can’t stand up for eachother, who will stand up
for us?
— Posted by LFK
2008
11:44 am
Thank
you for verbalizing what has been bothering me all along about this
campaign. I can accept that my candidate didn’t win, but I cannot
accept the sexism. Unfortunately, this campaign demonstrated that the
battles my generation (50+) fought are not over. I am really sorry that
younger women will have to face what we did – when will it end.
As for November, I honestly do not know what I am going to do. Neither choice is acceptable.
Kay
— Posted by Kay
2008
11:45 am
Your
comments concerning sexism in the media are right on target and very
welcome. Like so much sexism, the comments are individually annoying,
but cumulatively frightening. This constant stream of sexism no doubt
contributed to the erosion of Senator Clinton’s campaign. I’m actually
more concerned about the voting patterns. Professional women who are
old enough to have been around when we were all still actively
protesting, fighting to get into AP math classes, fighting to get into
graduate school, supported Senator Clinton. Blue-collar voters, who
know what happens when the local factory closes. Younger voters, who
know none of this, were drawn in by idealistic rhetoric that is not
informed by practical experience. I am concerned about the result.
— Posted by Nancy Greenwald
2008
11:45 am
Great
column and I agree on both items discussed. As to why such comments go
unchallanged is that women are not united as group to do the
challenging, we are all too often our own worst critics and feel free
to be even more vicious in attacks on each other. These comments are
nothing new at all, look at any people in the news and the focus on the
woman is always so superficial, remember all the horrible comments on
then attorney general Janet Reno because of her looks? Well Robert
Reich was no looker but he was never parodied on SNL for his looks!
Even Condolessa Rice, so much as been made about her other (more
womanly I guess) talents such as piano playing and ice skating, do we
know such personal tidbits about any other member of the
administration? NO!! It is so easy to demean and dismiss a woman with
any number of comments and hold them to impossible standards so that
there can be only failure on some level. It has always been thus and it
won’t end until woman stop doing it to themselves and stand up for each
other!!
— Posted by Lisa from NY
2008
11:45 am
Thank you!!!
Anyone who is NOT embarrassed that America has never had a woman
President and even today has only 15 female senators needs to take a
course in what discrimination looks like.
Hopefully the Democratic primary and the disgraceful treatment of
Clinton will be the catalyst that launches a new women’s movement.
Anything less than 50% women in congress within 5 years should be unacceptable to every decent Ameriican.
— Posted by Nancy
2008
11:46 am
Hillary Clinton came out swinging, dodging and weaving and fighting both fairly and unfairly in her contest with Obama.
He behaved as chiverously under the barrage of her assalts and
innuendos as possible without suicidely throwing himself under the bus.
Senator Clinton’s obnoxiousness as a candidate is only the B side of
the mindless, offensive, and ultimately disgusting American “popular
culture” you so correctly decry in Sex and the City.
For many of us OLDER women, domocrates all these many years, Senator
Clinton’s behavior never inspired us, either as first lady or as
candidate.
Perhaps she has been treated poorly but then again she has often
behaved poorly. That single standard any self proclaimed feminist ought
to understand.
Patricia
— Posted by Pat Hamilton
2008
11:46 am
Thank you so much — where have you been? It’s been a demoralizing primary for so many of us.
I hope you will continue to expose and excavate this subject in the
coming year. It would be great to see from this travesty a backlash of
real feminism — not this current generation of sex in the ciy feminism,
but the real thing, activism. Looks like we’ll just have another grey
suit in the white house, it hardly matters which one. The time for
women to lead will come, and when it does we can thank Hillary Clinton
for bushwacking our path. Purple Heart, indeed! Nancy Pelosi never
stood up for her against the misogynistic attacks, by the way. No one
did.
— Posted by justina
2008
11:47 am
Thank
you for this. For months, I have been horrified and disgusted by the
misogyny that’s been so commonly shown in the media’s treatment of
Hillary Clinton. I have long been saying that comparable remarks about
Obama’s race would have gotten these figures fired — but they were
about a woman, and a woman who has never hidden the fact that she is
smart and ambitious, so quite a lot of people seemed to find the
remarks acceptable.
If there’s one thing I’ve carried away from this Democratic primary, it is a loss of respect for much of the media.
— Posted by Katharine
2008
11:47 am
Bravo
Judith! As a man, I am disgusted by the rampant sexism that was shown
toward Hillary Clinton. It truly shows how backward this supposedly
great nation of ours is in comparison to our Western European
counterparts. For those male colleagues of mine who sneer and say, “So
move over there”, I respond with a defiant “NO”.
It is time for men such as myself to publicly and consistently
differentiate ourselves from our Neanderthal counterparts. There should
be a national association of men who reject sexism, and membership
should be worn with the same dignity and pride that I wear the label of
“liberal”.
It is time to wrest control of this nation from the retrogressive
loudmouths who pollute not only our society and political discourses,
but also our media. It is time to make sexism as socially unacceptable
as smoking has become. It is time to defiantly demand that sexism is
not a matter of free speech. It is time for all of us to work hard to
ensure that individuals who espouse sexism are isolated from society
until they are accorded the pariah status that they deserve.
— Posted by Douglas
2008
11:47 am
It’s good that you are back.
I sent this column to my daughters in the hope that it would make
them angry. I also pointed out, once again (and probably futilely), how
much of the media that they partake of — rap music and reality
television — contributes to this amazingly open toxic sewer in American
culture. One thing this campaign has done is to lift up all the rocks
and show what has been scurrying around underneath.
— Posted by James Hathaway
2008
11:49 am
Thank
you Judith, but attacks on Clinton do not rise to the level of
centuries of witch hunts, slavery, physical and mental abuse etc etc.
There is an insidious story in our culture about a woman who wanted
knowledge more than she wanted the good times to keep on rolling. So,
she reached for it, and has been carrying the blame for every bad thing
since then. We need to look at the deep bias of our beliefs about
gender, race, patriotism, and entitlement — a worthy challenge in a new
century with unprecedented opportunities for a ray of global
enlightenment.
— Posted by JChartier
2008
11:50 am
I
object to Hillary’s treatment being used as some guidstick for how
little we have advanced in our conduct towards women. Hillary was not
treated any better or any worse than any other presidential candidate.
The media has a penchant for tearing down those trying to get their
foot into the White House. When you look back at the John Kerry’s
campaign and recall that a man who not only served his country, but
served it with distinction, was reduced to a man worthy of scorn, you
cannot deny that those persons who aspire to the highest office in the
land have it very tough. I can give countless other examples of
candidates how have been ridiculed and whose character has been
assasinated by our media, our society and our political system.
If you want to use Hillary’s treatment to make a point it should
not be an indictment against a sexist society that doesn’t take women
and their accomplishments seriously, but rather against a media who,
more often than not, has more of a desire to obfuscate serious issues,
inflame petty issues and go for the lowest common denominator in their
reporting of presidential campaigns.
— Posted by austroberta
2008
11:52 am
I
find it difficult to disagree with much of what you say in this article
but do find it interesting that you chose to compare stereotypical
references to Obama and Lieberman without the comment that neither of
these two have acted in a stereotypical fashion. If Obama ranted like
the Rev. Wright or shucked around like Stepinfetchit and Lieberman had
skulked around like Shylock your point might have been better taken.
The fact that HRC did chose to act in a stereotypical fashion is the
primary reason the public saw her as the stereotype she presented.
— Posted by Ned
2008
11:54 am
Hillary
Clinton lost the nominating contest to Barack Obama by a tiny margin. I
think that margin is due more to her campaign’s poor strategy and poor
execution than to bloviating by cable news types and bloggers. The ugly
sexism pointed out in this column and elsewhere would have existed if
Senator Clinton had not spent a year behaving as if she had no real
competition for the nomination; or if she had organized better in the
caucus states; or if she had better sensed the public appetite for a
departure from the hyper-partisan politics of the Bush and Clinton
years and altered her message to fit that reality; or if Bill Clinton
hadn’t morphed into an an obnoxious, unpredictable attack dog. So it’s
wrong to say that sexism, as ugly as it has been, was behind her
defeat. She ran a bad campaign; Obama ran a better one.
— Posted by KG
2008
11:55 am
Thank
you for this very welcome column. In a modification of a comment I just
submitted, which is not yet posted (and now may not be)….. I want to
say how ironic (?) that the NYT has been a major contributor to the
anti-female discourse you are critiquing….. through the unrelentingly
sexist words of one supposedly feminist columnist.
Shouldn’t the NYT hold its own columnists to a higher standard, at least to the standard of this exemplary column?
— Posted by Ellen
2008
11:56 am
Thanks
for pulling together some important observations. I didn’t vote for
Hillary, but I’m appalled at the discourse on her and on women, more
generally. Hillary isn’t the right role model, however. As a working
mother whose mother worked before her and mother to a strong, smart
daughter in college right now, I just don’t see the problems in the
same way. That most of the mainstream media, including the NY Times, is
appallingly shallow, sexist, superficial, consumerist claptrap is a
function of corporate media more than real people’s sentiments about
women or Hillary or feminism.
— Posted by Jennifer
2008
11:57 am
I
wouldn’t discount the pervasive hold sexism still has on our country,
but it is not the reason Clinton lost. She squandered her advantage
through poor strategy and a belief in her own inevitability. I’m a
35-year old male raised by a strong single mother, and I was never
disinclined early on to support her candidacy. But I found her
disingenuousness on the campaign trail striking, even before the Bosnia
brouhaha.
In short I believe sexism is an underreported issue and it played a
role in the campaign. But it was not the reason Clinton lost. Had she
retained the huge advantages with which she began, she would have
retained control of the narrative and pundits would have been more
positive about her and her campaign. The fact that she foundered led
many in the chattering class to describe her with sometimes unfortunate
terminology, but I just don’t see the causation there.
I also think there’s a strong generational component in the
reactions to apparent sexism in the campaign. From discussion with
women in my generation–all professionals and liberals–it seems they
don’t take such visible affront to the sexist nonsense in the media,
refusing to let it impact their lives. Such old-guard feminist
responses like the “not so fast… Hillary is our voice and she’s
speaking for all of us” ad in the Times is to the younger generation an
off-putting failed power play. I don’t discount the trials and slights
our foremothers endured–but to a large degree their efforts have been
successful, and we’re ready to move on.
— Posted by Ken S.
2008
11:59 am
Hillary
was the wrong woman at the right time. I think another woman could have
made to the top of ticket, even in the midst of the very real sexism
you describe. But sexism didn’t undo Hillary – she never stood a
chance, given the Clintons’ “right wing consipiracy” bunker mentality.
It’s so 20th century.
— Posted by Glad It’s Over
2008
12:01 pm
By
the way, thanks Sioban (#144). You said it perfectly. I’m two years
older, but have experienced the same things and feel exactly the same
way. Warner’s comparison is kind of sill, too: a pure confection of
entertainment and the treatment of Hillary on the campaign trail. The
big fans of Sex and the City are also the Hillary supporters…I’m
afraid. How about some serious meaty analysis instead of some creative
writing class-inspired construction?
— Posted by Jennifer
2008
12:01 pm
In
spite of the name, I am a woman old enough to have gone through the
feminist era. There was no public outcry about the “nutcracker” and
other comments because at this point…they are beneath contempt. Indeed,
they are so childish…I can ignore them like the actions of a petulent 2
year old.
Hillary almost won..she just missed it because of the charisma of
her opponent, her run in the cycle of bush-clinton-bush-clinton(?), and
the Iraq War.
She may be the right woman but it’s the wrong time. Within another
presidential cycle, we are sure to see another woman candidate and
perhaps elect her.
As for those inflicted by sexism, we will ultimate laugh at them on our way to the White House.
— Posted by Sam
2008
12:01 pm
Femenists, step back from the edge, look around, and celebrate.
The real issue now and throughout this entire election has not been
sexism or racism, but paternalism. I don’t know if people in this
thread haven’t noticed it or just intentionally omit it from their
analysis, but Obama wins with women under 30.
Many of you seem to take that as an indication of the fall of
feminism, but take a chance to talk to a young, educated, Obama
supporting feminist if you get a chance and you’ll see a much brighter
picture.
For full disclosure, I am 24 and male. I grew up in the backwoods of
Central Pennsylvania, attended an Ivy League University, and work in
the Financial Services Industry.
I’ve seen females excell and be rewarded at each stage of my life.
Young Women get better grades than their male counterparts at all
stages of their educations, more females than males attend college,
being a female in a “male” industry is valued extremely highly and
rewarded financially. Women! you’ve arrived, you really have!
Women of my generation have succeeded, will continue to succeed, and
have gotten over viewing men as the obstacles that inhibit any
ambitions they might have. The young women are dwarfs standing on the
shoulders of femenist giants, but they’ve arrived. The oppressive
battles in the workplace that boomer feminists have faced simply won’t
happen as our generation comes of age.
Thank you boomers, but, in the kindest way possible, I must say
please get over yourselves and hand the reigns to a younger generation.
Fighting the battles of the past has brought us Global Warming, $4.00
gas, extremely burdensome college debt, a broken social security
systems, the worst job market for college grads in 50 years! (NYT is on
this)
We, the youth, have to bear the EXTREMELY heavy burden of your
generations missteps, bickering, and indulgences….so Plllllllease step
out of the way and let us fix this country. Stop patronizing us, admit
that this country is falling apart, and step aside and let us fix it.
We’re bright, friendly, multicultural, fair, and femenist.
Women of my generation have progressed to the next stage of
femenism, not feeling the need to vote for Hillary simply because she
is a woman. They understand that the world has finally reached a place
where people succeed or fail on their own merits, and that “experience”
i.e. having been around for a long time as our country went down the
tubes and complaining about unfair treatement doesn’t make someone fit
to be president.
— Posted by Matt P
2008
12:02 pm
Like
many of the responses to this primary, this editorial conflates and
confuses the issues. Yes, there are examples of blatant, nasty sexist
comments. But as the Pew Center pointed out in its just released study,
the media was generally more favorable to Cinton than Obama after she
made her “You guys are picking on me and not him” comments in February.
Yes, impossible for HRC’s fervent supporters to believe, but that’s
what the most respected, non partisan media analysis center found. A
nuanced conclusion might be that as whole the press *isn’t* misogynist
- but a small, vocal, powerful segment is. And despite their influence,
they didn’t decide the nomination.
South Park is offensive – that’s the point. I don’t watch it, or
SATC and am not attracted to or impressed by women who act like that.
And I would never describe any woman, fictional or not, in the terms JW
described the characters in the movie. Being told that I’m sexist or
misogynist because I don’t support Hilary, because I have a strong
negative reaction to her, or criticize her is every bit as offensive as
some of the examples JW points out. I have the same reaction to Anne
Coulter. Margaret Thatcher. And GWB. And Karl Rove. Anyone who tries to
bully me or others into supporting their pov or candidate by cries of
vicitimization, by shouting down any criticism, by repeating half
truths and by name calling. I don’t think that’s sexism or misogyny. I
think that’s exactly what feminism is nominally fighting. Ascribing
every crticism of HRC or her loss to sexism actually devalues her as an
individual and her accomplishments and women in general. She lost.
Isn’t that remarkable? A woman ran for POTUS as a major candidate for
one of two major parties and lost because of how she campaigned and on
her merits. Wow. Fanatastic. That’s success. She wasn’t expected to
look like a character on SATC. She was taken seriously for her
intellect and her positions – and criticized when she strayed from
that. Voters evaluated her for who she was and what she offered. Isn’t
that the point? If it’s not; if the point is to elect her just
*because* she’s a woman, that’s sexism. That’s a step backward for all
women.
— Posted by databot
2008
12:04 pm
I wouldn’t pay a penny to see SATC. I think it is so far removed from reality that it trips the light fantastic.
Hillary was villified because she is a woman, but she didn’t help
things by lying about Bosnia or whereever she allegedly dodged bullets.
As for “Sex”, Miranda’s character is the only one I rooted for while
watching it over the years. SJP’s character was a moron as far as I was
concerned given her penchant for brain death in her dealings with men.
I saw SJP in the E. Village at Grace Church, and was shocked at how
average she was in person in contrast to the media image of her. She is
atypically a size “O” but aside from that she is really just average,
and her character “Carrie” is a farce.
— Posted by Yvette
2008
12:06 pm
As
much as I agree with you (don’t even get me started on the Hillary
nutcrackers), I feel that the Sex And The City references are very
predictable and excessive here. Hating on the film and the series (both
of which were well-written and entertaining) has become so very trendy
that all the bashing makes me yawn.
— Posted by LP
2008
12:07 pm
Yes,
the press treated her horribly and got away with it. Why? Mostly
because hating women who are powerful and smart and ambitious is just
normal to the mainsteam media.
of course hillary herself was a fatally flawed candidate and i would
argue only got this far because she was a woman, and bill’s wife. that
initial vote for the war, without a heartfelt retraction, was enough to
end it for most anyone else.
BUT the bigger issue is the laziness and weakness of the msm…e.g.
when hillary remarked about the june primary month and rfk’s
assassination, the FIRST step ought to have been to examine the facts
she presented..but msm rarely takes the time and energy to research the
data.
FINALLY the sex and the city invasion is disturbing…somehow flaunted
as liberating but actually just another case of the stepford
wives…harrowing for the real citizens of these united states of america.
Meta.
— Posted by Meta Hirschl
2008
12:08 pm
Why
is that it’s okay to criticize an actress who owes her career to
marrying or sleeping with a prominent director, producer, or studio
head but it is not okay to criticize Hillary Clinton for having a
political career based primarily on being Bill’s wife? Hillary didn’t
work her way up to the Senate; she didn’t start by being a city
councilwoman or state legislator, then up to the House, and finally the
Senate. No, she just waltzed right in the door. Besides which, she
voted for the war in Iraq. And if her association with Bill during his
Presidency is cited as part of her qualifications, then so must her
association with Bill’s questionable financial dealings since he left
office.
— Posted by Jess Money
2008
12:08 pm
Thank you, Judith. You have hit this issue precisely on the head, earnestly and attractively.
— Posted by rae
2008
12:09 pm
I
was happy to read your article, and I agree with it. The media, not
surprisingly, behaved poorly. Our media is misogynist. That’s not news.
Unfortunately, we, as women, feed into it, by seeing movies like Sex
in the City, reading Chick Lit at an unprecedented pace, and buying
into the advertisers’ ideal of feminine perfection. To change the
market, we as super-consumers, must change our habits.
So, to me, the more difficult discussion to have is whether, as
feminists, we are ready to embrace the next step. I hope we are.
As an unabashed feminist, I was ashamed during this election cycle.
The hysterical crying that ‘we are victims’ in the face of a woman’s
historical run at the presidency is again, feeding into misogynic
views. Are we surprised that this was how Senator Clinton was treated?
We would have been short-sighted to be surprised. Women still receive
less pay for the same work, hostility in the workplace still exists,
and as you point out, the post-feminism matinee is at best, disturbing.
Hopefully, this discussion and this experience will make it easier for
the next woman who runs for president. Senator Clinton is a trailblazer
and no matter who you supported, for that she should be admired.
That said, many self proclaimed feminist Clinton supporters who
scream that they will vote for anti-choice, anti-healthcare McCain over
a democratic pro-choice candidate is actually feeding into the
misogynist stereotype of the passive aggressive hysterical woman. I
hope they wake up and remember their feminist duty.
— Posted by ADI
2008
12:09 pm
The
best thing Obama could do now is pick the strongest female candidate he
can find for his VP–but not Clinton. Clinton should have run in 2004;
she should have been president in the ’90’s. The “dream ticket” for
this year is still Obama with a woman.
— Posted by gmac
2008
12:09 pm
Great
article! I dislike Hillary for many reasons, but her being a woman is
not one of them. One thing troubles me, though. All her supporters who
claim that since Hillary lost they will now vote for McCain. What’s up
with that? If these women have any real interest in the issues Hillary
ran on, how can they support McCain, who offers the precise antithesis
of everything Hillary stood for? My only explanation is that the ONLY
reason they were for Hillary in the first place is because she is a
woman–and that’s a lousy reason to vote for anyone. A lot of men
suspected this all along, which is one reason, I believe, they resented
Hillary for all the wrong reasons. Anyway, this a really fine piece,
and one that deserves to be read widely. shadow
— Posted by shadow
2008
12:10 pm
Another thank you!!
— Posted by Renee
2008
12:11 pm
Pushed
by her handlers, she ran a flawed campaign, out of character with the
gracious person I believe she is. She will continue to contribute to
and prosper in public life, especially after Obama is elected
President. She suffered indignities, but just consider the source. One
Chris Matthews does not make a zeitgeist.
— Posted by Robert E. Olsen
2008
12:11 pm
Take
it as a given that the media is not only atrocious in gender-equality,
but in news coverage in general. It’s not news, it’s entertainment. I’m
a woman who can’t stand Clinton, don’t particularly like Obama for his
pro-Israel shift, and think that the whole political show caters to the
dumbest in all of us. The sexist comments just demonstrate how stupid
our media is, and what we as a country will put up with. Hey, turn it
off, watch BBC or Aljazeera, read the paper, but don’t add to their
viewers…
— Posted by LW
2008
12:11 pm
I agree, and well said.
— Posted by Kathryn
2008
12:11 pm
Thank you.
— Posted by Jennifer
2008
12:12 pm
It
has been wonderful to see both a woman and a biracial man be viable
candidates for the Presidency. That does not mean that sexism and
racism have vanished.
It means times are a changing.
— Posted by Gail
2008
12:12 pm
Sexism
is making decisions based on sex. Voting for Hillary because she is a
woman is sexist. A real feminist votes for the best candidate, who may
or may not be a woman. Women should be able to disagree about who the
best candidate is without being attacked as anti-woman.
— Posted by Feminist who won’t ever vote for Hillary
2008
12:13 pm
David
Letterman made endless jokes about Hillary Clinton’s appearance
(particularly her pantsuits)but not a single one about Barack Obama’s
appearance. It’s okay to throttle a woman candidate with sexist
jokes/comments, but – god forbid! -don’t make a joke about Obama’s
appearance, lest it be construed as racist. (Letterman, however, has
made plenty of ageist jokes at McCain’s expense.)
— Posted by cpuff
2008
12:14 pm
I
assume that many of the people who read this article come from
multicultural backgrounds – like me – and I wonder if they think that
this editorial’s discussion feels incomplete.
I do not disagree with any of Judith’s points. (In fact, perhaps
Judith comes from a multicultural background and I’m simply not aware
of it).
But from my perspective, U.S. society still promotes and applauds
the success of women far more than many other cultures across the
globe. I would not be where I am today (or who I am today) if I had
grown up in the country where I was born rather than in the U.S. As a
female in her 20s, the opportunities for me in the U.S. are limitless
compared with many other foreign countries.
Furthermore, I would be interested in an editorial that takes into
account how large new immigrant populations from Latin America and from
Asia have played a role in the re-conceptualization of what it means to
be a women in the U.S. in the 21st century.
My other point relates to intergenerational relations. I am often
disturbed by what I consider far more sexualized and naive teenage
girls posting semi-nude pics online. I think to myself that they
certainly reinforce negative stereotypes about the female gender. Then
again, I know that women older than me often shake their heads at what
they might consider to be the frivolous, superficial, or “sex”-obsessed
lives that women in my generation lead/aspire to. It seems as if we
simply can’t help but judge younger generations.
Implicity, I feel that this article suggests that my generation
(women currently in their 20s) are more likely to accept misogyny
compared with previous generations of women. Or that simply because a
woman cares about her appearance, she’s probably okay with the
misogynistic tendencies American society. Perhaps I’m reading too much
into this editorial; or perhaps it’s simply incomplete.
— Posted by KLHQ
2008
12:14 pm
Bizarre.
MSM troglodytes aside, it sounds like feminists posting above who agree
with you have a much larger and more intractable argument with the vast
numbers of their own gender who seem to have bought hook, line, and
sinker into the shallow, pampered ethos epitomized and celebrated in
Sex and the City. As one commenter noted above, it is not men who are
flocking in droves to see this movie and the pathetic, self-indulgent
behavior it glorifies.
Sexism, like racism, will always exist in society because there will
always be some subset of the population which believes its tenets to be
true, and some subset of the population which behaves in a manner that
seems to confirm those prejudices.
As some commenters have noted, Hillary attracted a lot of sexist
commentary because her personality and behavior played perfectly into
the stereotypes such commenters have of powerful women as domineering,
“castrating” personalities. She was too easy a target.
If you do not think personality matters, or you think that Obama
somehow got a preferential pass on the racism card, I invite you to
consider what might have happened had Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton made
a concerted run for the nomination. On the flip side, I can think of
several female politicians who would have attracted far less
opprobrium–sexist or not–than did Ms Clinton.
— Posted by FRL
2008
12:14 pm
It’s
so sad to me that so many women join in the chorus of Hillary-bashing.
I think in psychology that would be called projection and an indicator
that deep down these women are bashing and hating themselves. Until
they believe that they themselves are actually worthy of power and
voice, they will never support another woman strives for the same.
— Posted by Marcia
2008
12:16 pm
Anyone
who thinks women would be better at running the world should see “Sex
and The City.” There’s no Green in this movie except for cash and the
way to enlightenment is through shopping. And yes, it must be said, too
many women are shopping the planet to death. So much for the
enlightened Feminine Principle. (See Anthony Lane’s hysterical and
spot-on review of “Sex in the City in this week’s New Yorker too; after
reading that I decided not to see the movie. I don’t enjoy horror
films).
As for Hillary, let’s get real for a second, shall we? She beat all
but one of the democratic contenders soundly in what most people
acknowledge was a a very competent field. She missed getting the
nomination by a nose and maybe if West Virginia, Kentucky and Peurto
Rico (all macho regions, by the way) had come earlier in the season,
she would have had the momentum to win. To call her a loser makes the
rest of us pure trash. Who knows, maybe she’ll win in 2012 or 2016 -
she’ll still be younger than McCain is now in both these contests.
— Posted by Scott Baker
2008
12:16 pm
Add me to the chorus of thanks.
The woman-hatred aimed at Hillary throughout her campaign hurt me
personally. I would have crumbled under it, myself. I worry that it
will be a long time before another woman is willing to run.
— Posted by PJ
2008
12:17 pm
I am glad that you are back!
If
only the Chris Mathews, the Tim Russerts,the Andrea Mitchells, the
Keith Obermans, the Dick Gregories and the rest of these media-times
circus shows, their hosts and “political experts”, would have the
courage to acknowledge the historical importance of what Senator
Clinton has achieved as the first woman EVER in this country to win
important primaries and to have earned the trust and votes of eighteen
million americans!! If only……
Ninfa
— Posted by Ninfa Floyd
2008
12:18 pm
Hillary’s
loss in the primary is really a Democrat event, and thus I think it’s
too easy for you to choose to focus on the blah blah blah “misogynist”
elements in society at large. Instead you should have the courage to
consider the extent to which, in the PC, identity-obsessed pecking
order of liberal politics, it has just been demonstrated how distinctly
subordinate the cause of women is to that of African Americans.
— Posted by daniel kammer
2008
12:19 pm
To
respond to the man who wondered why Hillary was called Hillary rather
than Clinton or Sen. Clinton in the media: Look at her own campaign
posters. They all say “Hillary for President”. She perpetuated this
herself, probably so people wouldn’t think of her husband whenever they
heard “Clinton”. Also, whenever she was addressed directly, she was
always addressed as Sen. Clinton. Besides, Bill Clinton is routinely
referred to as “Bill” in casual media. This isn’t an issue of sexism.
— Posted by Mike Lundon
2008
12:20 pm
Right
on, sister: public misogyny *is* still acceptable in a way that racist
discourse is not. When Don Imus got in trouble for insulting black
women, the emphasis was on the racist insult rather than the
misogynistic one. The attacks on HRC are shocking and shameful. I
should add that, in my opinion, HRC is a disturbingly untrustworthy
politician who deserved to lose the nomination for many reasons. But
that doesn’t excuse the misogyny directed against her.
— Posted by Rudolf Gaudio
2008
12:20 pm
This weak op-ed does a disservice to the cause of equality in general, and women specifically:
It bases its position on quotes from prurient cartoons, B movies,
and tabloid television, while ignoring some uncomfortable truths about
its subject.
Senator Clinton is an unsympathetic persona because of questionable
ethics, an air of arrogant entitlement, a spotty political record, and
exaggerated claims of achievement and competency.
To many observers, her gender is irrelevant:
Senator Clinton is just another two-faced, double-talking political prick.
Pick a better victim next time.
— Posted by Iona
2008
12:21 pm
Excellent piece. Thank you Judith.
— Posted by Maya
2008
12:21 pm
You’ve
hit the proverbial nail on the head. Thank you so much for identifying
the hugely conflicted state of feminism in the country.
Thank you, thank you, thank you.
— Posted by Shannon Hays
2008
12:22 pm
Siobhan (144),
It’s true. All my worst bosses have been women. All my best bosses were
women too. There have been more good than bad, but the bad were
atrocious. My male bosses, in contrast, have stayed close to the middle
of the spectrum.
Why is this? (Not a rhetorical question. I’d really like to hear your theory.)
— Posted by Joe
2008
12:22 pm
I
have never written a comment from an article I read online before.
However, after reading this piece, I felt compelled to profusely thank
you Judith for articulating so well what I have been thinking for some
time. It is sad that Ms. Clinton had to work harder and withstand the
misogynous critiques of herself but what is more disappointing is that
all the “woman hate” rhetoric went largely unnoticed….until now.
Thank you.
— Posted by mary
2008
12:22 pm
Mary
Sweeney—-You are right on the money. We have NOT come a long way, as
this has shown anyone thinking otherwise. I would skim by the “Talking
Heads”—who are they anyway—turn the TV off whenever vile, reprehensible
comments were made and STILL it continued. Only to get worse.
Either you made the decision to vote for Senator Clinton or not she did not deserve the treatment she received—and continues to.
Like I said—Ditto on Mary Sweeney’s comments.
— Posted by Sue Ann Di Maggio
2008
12:23 pm
Thank you.
As both a woman and a West Virginian, I have spent the last few weeks
being told I should just lighten up. The 1st time someone asked me if I
wore shoes, or was married to my 1st cousin, it wasn’t funny, and after
hearing this crap a thousand times- its still not funny.
It seems its still ok to make fun of women and the desperately poor…
— Posted by Katy
2008
12:24 pm
Thank
you. Great article. Some would say that the pathetic self-centered
S&C “girls” get a free pass from public ire because they could
never, ever threaten anyone (male or female), while Hillary is a
“nut-cracker”. I must admit I don’t “like” Hillary, but I can’t help
respect what she is doing, especially in what is subtly yet evidently a
deeply misogynistic society. Oh, and you know what? I hope she doesn’t
care whether I like her or not! She has the brains and experience to
make a difference in the world just by showing girls and boys what a
woman, no, person can achieve through hard work. I only wish we could
see what a talented, dedicated person can be without this silly,
totally outrageous, prejudice against tough, “unlikable” women. (I
mean, who cares? It never even crossed my mind to consider whether, for
example, the Chairman of the Federal Reserve is likeable, not to
mention how we’ve “profitted enormously” as a nation from
beer-buddy-type charisma of presidents.)
Furthermore, if a “girl” chooses to wear designer clothes and be
“cute”, and her ambition is to marry “well”, good luck! I am glad that
this movie appeals to women and brings them joy, but I hope they
realize that if these choices were in any way threatening to men, they
would not escape ridicule. So, ladies, enjoy the comedy but at the end
of the day remember not to just settle. Seriously.
— Posted by some woman
2008
12:24 pm
Brilliant. Thank God someone’s saying it.
— Posted by g.m.
2008
12:24 pm
Yes, you are right on so many levels.
But where I am absolutely lost, is understanding why the Clinton
supporters are now threatening to vote for McCain. Where is the logic
in that?
There is no person who is perfectly above lapses in sexist behavior
or remarks, just as there is no person who is above lapses in racist
behavior or remarks. Many times these lapses are unintentional.
Please give Obama the benefit of the doubt here and I will give
Clinton the benefit of the doubt with her “hard working whites” remark,
her RFK remark, etc etc etc.
Any Clinton supporter who would turn around and vote for anti-choice
McCain is guilty of a worse sin against womenkind than any of the
gimmicky sexism of the MSM.
— Posted by Carol
2008
12:24 pm
The
MSM is now poised to treat Senator McCain and his wife in the same way.
They are infatuated with the Obama’s as though if they don’t identify
with them, they aren’t hip or cool or forward thinking. MSNBC played
over and over again the Obama’s fist tapping gesture as a sign of a
more successful Presidential run as opposed to the “older, cooler”
relationship of the McCains. Expect much more of this. Superficial
signs that Obama will be a better President. They’ll never have to put
forth a subtantial workable idea in order to get positive coverage.
Obama once again had to backtrack on a speech he made (to the
Israeli group) to clarify what he meant. Again it’s the rhetoric, the
lofty words with unclear meanings that trap him, and it gets little
coverage. But it’s nice to know how Michelle dresses as opposed to
Cindy.
— Posted by BJLeone
2008
12:25 pm
The
earlier commenter who made the point that the issue is generation, not
gender, hit the nail on the head. There are any number of strong female
politicians that I would happily support, who I believe would be
consensus-builders and would work to change the
lobbyist-and-earmark-driven nature of our current government. Kathleen
Sebelius, Nancy Pelosi, and Dianne Feinstein are but three examples.
Did Hilary Clinton ever publicly discuss, head-on, the fact that her
national name recognition comes from being first lady, an unelected
position? Spousal experience is not invalid, and I’m sure she knows
more about White House life as a result of being First Lady than either
Obama or McCain. However, her claims to superior political experience
throughout the campaign are transparently false. The combination of
lies and smear tactics her campaign used, as well as her positions on
several pertinent issues such as the war in Iraq, are part of the
reasons younger women such as myself don’t support her. It is NOT
because she’s a woman. It is because she is this particular woman. That
doesn’t make me misogynist.
— Posted by habeas
2008
12:25 pm
Thank
you for your insightful article and esp for the link to the WMC video.
Unfortunately, I can’t agree with you regarding the racism issue. I
think we can expect the GOP to employ every racist tactic in their
playbook against Obama this fall. Sadly, both sexism and racism are
alive and well in our country.
— Posted by Curtis
2008
12:26 pm
I’m 45, biracial with the same breakdown as Obama (white Mom, black Dad) and voted for the now presumptive Democratic nominee.
I was on the fence at first but decided not to vote for Hillary
because of some of the racially tinged comments her husband made. In
addition, her remark about Barack not being Muslim “as far as she
kn[e]w” was disgusting. That implied that he was keeping a secret from
the American public.
All this being said, I DO want Hillary to remain part of the
political scene. I actually want her on the Supreme Court. They
definitely need a liberal there and, after all, Ruth Bader Ginsburg
could probably use some female company – talk about sisterhood!
The idea of women gathering in movie theatres sounds great but what
are they getting for their $10? Fantasy. It’s probably already been
said but Sex and the City is a logical extension to little girls
wanting to grow up and be princesses.
American culture wants women shopping and wearing fancy dresses —
and dependent on men. They don’t want to see a strong woman like
Hillary Clinton in power. I really want her in the Supreme Court but
will not be too upset if she runs again after 2 successful Obama terms.
— Posted by Debra
2008
12:26 pm
ABSOLUTELY! Thank you and welcome back.
— Posted by Ilana
2008
12:27 pm
Spot on, Judith.
— Posted by Ben
2008
12:28 pm
Sex and the City is a bad (in quality) and unhealthy (in attitudes) show. No one assumes that it speaks any truth.
Tucker Carlson and Glenn Beck are paid to stir up controversy, and
they will gladly dip into their toolbox of misogyny, just as others
were quick to dip into their racism/xenophobia toolbox, including HRC
(”He’s not a muslim as far as I know”). They don’t speak for me or
other men.
I really don’t know what your point is other than to complain about
the boorishness of our culture. You could have selected any number of
ways in which to do this, including the behavior of HRC.
— Posted by JR Flanders
2008
12:29 pm
Thanks, I just felt incredibly insulted.
I suppose because I like my “Sex & the City” (indeed, proud
owner of the entire series, wrapped in pink velvet), I must assuredly
be a self-hating misogynist.
Give me a break.
Senator Clinton nailed her own coffin by her abysmal behaviour. She
ran a dirty campaign, while cryin sexism and racism at every turn. She
could have taken the high road. She could have been a real inspiration
through her strength and character. She could have been a unifying
force. Sadly, she failed on all these fronts.
Please.
— Posted by chantal
2008
12:29 pm
That montage needs to be shown to every woman in this country, especially those under the age of 25.
— Posted by Liz B
2008
12:30 pm
Thank you for this.
— Posted by Jill
2008
12:32 pm
I
am reminded of some age-related verbiage. My gregarious 74 year old
husband works part-time at a local recreation venue. He uses the words
“your bride” in reference to male co-workers’ wives of similar age
bracket and thinks he is being clever. I mention (privately) that this
is unsuitable. He doesn’t care and thinks I am off-base. When was the
last time you heard a woman refer to her co-worker’s husband as “your
groom”?
When men patronizingly refer to me as “young lady” (women do not do
this), I say: I am 74 years old. Such seeming compliments are
disingenuous.
So, you see, even on a more simple basis, some people choose unconventional language to reveal themselves.
Kindness, compassion and “truthiness” are much underrated – and sometimes hard to sort out.
— Posted by Mary
2008
12:33 pm
I’m
sorry I had a hard time reading this article. You had to
compare/contrast a political campaign with a movie based on a T.V.
show? I’m not saying that art cannot imitate life or that life cannot
imitate art. But I never considered that T.V. program to be anything
about art at all. It’s just commercialism that panders to
generalization and fantasy. We all have a right to watch or not watch
that movie. I for one, am not interested. But that it should be used as
a tool to compare and contrast with HRC is not fair to all female
political candidates incl. HRC.
— Posted by Laura
2008
12:33 pm
Thank
you for this cry in the dark. Now if we could just get the paper you
wrote this for to take these issues seriously. One opinion essay
doesn’t do it.
— Posted by Pam
2008
12:34 pm
If
a woman enjoys SATC, she’s not necessarily dumb or seeking to confirm
to gendered roles of wife or plaything. The reality is every model of
feminism has its strengths and weaknesses.
As the author notes, in a media saturated with so much hatred for
women, a show like SATC that celebrates female friendships is
understandably a positive escape for women viewers. SATC also extolls
the power of consumerism, and as the buying power of women increases, I
can see why women viewers find this show attractive.
Meanwhile, while Senator Clinton shattered the glass ceiling for
women running for office, I found her attempts to emasculate Senator
Obama while playing her gender card offensive. Her racebaiting
alienated me as a woman of color. The media spun her supporters as all
women, or “hard working, white Americans.”
To quote Sojourner Truth: “Ain’t I a woman?”
— Posted by Anna
2008
12:36 pm
I
do find it incredibly disgusting that Hillary Clinton had to take so
many pot shots and probing questions about her ability, capacity, etc.
because she’s female; however it’s not fair to just cast her as the
victim either. I think Obama was proactive in situations where some
fought to make his race/ethnicity a factor. Maybe it took her for
surprise, but she was slow to act and missed a prime opportunity to
open up/start/lead an important dialogue on the state of women’s rights
and the struggle for equality in which we are clearly still in the
midst.
— Posted by lan
2008
12:36 pm
Thanks so much, Judith, for your fine, thought-provoking piece on misogyny!
To your many excellent points I would like to add another:
The tension between the woman’s role as socially ‘feminine’ (and
anatomically female) and her role as gender-neutral ‘person’ is at the
heart of our conflicts concerning women in leadership roles.
What was not apparent during earlier stages of the battle for gender
equality is how difficult it would be to resolve this role dilemma.
Your example, the film “Sex and the City” addresses the role of
women’s ‘feminine’ personal role primarily, while Hillary Clinton’s
campaign primarily addresses the possibility of woman as gender-neutral
person. Clinton’s detractors mistake the one role for the other, and
accuse her of doing the same.
Here I offer you a pertinent quote from the Conclusion of Simone de
Beauvoir’s book “The Second Sex” (this section of the book is worth or
reading or re-reading in its entirety):
“The quarrel will go on as long as men and women fail to recognise
each other as equals; that is to say, as long as femininity [as
repression] is perpetuated as such. Which sex is the more eager to
maintain it? Woman, who is being emancipated from it, wishes none the
less to retain its privileges; and man, in that case, wants her to
assume its limitations. ‘It is easier to accuse one sex than to excuse
the other,’ says Montaigne. It is vain to apportion praise and blame.”
de Beauvoir continues, “The truth is that if the vicious circle is
so hard to break, it is because the two sexes are each the victim at
once of the other and of itself. Between two adversaries confronting
each other in their pure liberty, an agreement could be easily reached:
the more so as the war profits neither.”
Pure liberty? That concept is out of date philosophically, but the
idea that the war of the sexes profits neither is most certainly not.
While few of us today would agree that the concept of ‘femininity’
has to go, most of us would agree that what ‘feminine’ and ‘masculine’
mean would have to change if the root causes of misogyny are to be
cured, rather than just its symptoms eased through use of politically
correct speech.
— Posted by ellen
2008
12:36 pm
Thank
you, thank you, thank you for saying all of it. Please keep saying all
of it, over, and over, and over again. I am weeping with gratitude and
frustration.
— Posted by soozzie
2008
12:36 pm
THANK YOU!
— Posted by alyson
2008
12:38 pm
Woman
have had the vote for nearly 90 years and have yet to elect a leader
who can capture our imagination as Barack Obama has-why is that? I
don’t think it has anythig to do with men, it has to do with women.
Women are the majority when it comes to number of potential voters.
Stop pointing fingers and making excuses-LEAD.
— Posted by John
2008
12:38 pm
Great
piece, Judith, welcome back. It’s difficult to untangle the anti- and
pro-Hillary sexism from her merits as a candidate. I heard and read
plenty of woman-bashing, and it appalled me, but it did not make me
rush into her camp. And I resented it when some people, mostly fellow
blog commenters, tried to paint Obama-supporting women as traitors. I
had friends who told me outright that we had to stick together. My
gender, right or wrong. No can do.
— Posted by Kathleen Parr
2008
12:38 pm
What
about African-American women? Are they somehow forgot in all of this.
The media keeps saying “women vote for Clinton and African-Americans
vote for Obama”. Who, if anyone has pointed out the views of the
millions of African-American women who did not vote for Senator Clinton
or don’t relate with 4 white girls in Sex and the City?
— Posted by KER
2008
12:38 pm
Thank you so much for being one of the clear voices in this very sexist wilderness.
I will not and cannot vote for of the two annointed candidates and I will write in Sen. Clinton’s name next November.
— Posted by cbd
2008
12:40 pm
I’m
a woman. White. Working. Middle-aged. I didn’t vote for Hillary and I
won’t be seeing “the girls” in the must-see new movie.
Is there sexism in a society where a fifty-something male executive
can persuade a twenty-year-old female intern to give him oral sex at
the office, and lie about it, and get caught lying about it, and still
keep his job? You bet your pantsuit there is.
Is Hillary a victim of sexism or of an unsuccessful attempt to
profit from collaborating in sexism? Hmmmm how many rich, pampered
victims will be driven to another round of botox and cosmos just
thinking about that one?
— Posted by Dr. Mom
2008
12:40 pm
At
the beginning of the campaigns I said I will vote for whichever
candidate is a democratic nominee. As the time went by and Sen. Clinton
started to pander (shooting a duck, drinking shots, talking about
sniper fire, referring to ‘hard working white people’, talking about
Bobby Kennedy’s assasination) I got disgusted. She started the
negativity early on when she referred to Sen. Obama’s achievements as
‘he gave a speech’(remember that one) and I must wonder why did she
need to do that. She has dug her hole all by herself and chauvinistic
media jumped on her. She should have been smarter than that.
— Posted by Sonja
2008
12:41 pm
Maybe
it’s because I am in Canada – I did not see those attacks on Hillary,
although I did see her mentioning them. It is interesting that the
media presented her complaints as opinion without showing the facts of
the horrible attacks – that they were real. She came across as a bit of
a whiner, paranoid, trying to get sympathy votes and make Obama look
bad while using similar tactics against him (with race as the dagger).
It really is a shame. Were they ignoring it to not draw attention to
it, or were they ignoring it as normal fringe behaviour?
But her campaing logo was “Hillary” so it’s not sexism that she is
referred to by her first name (probably to distinguish her from Bill,
really).
While I was excited about a woman for US president, I disagreed with
her stand on significant issues. But politics come down to such shallow
triggers at times. There must be a better way.
— Posted by Moremi
2008
12:41 pm
To
me this whole election was a referendum on whether it was o.k. to
demean and humiliate women. I think I know who won. I am happy that
Obama is the nominee but I feel that Clinton was given a bad deal by
the msm. If he made a policy statement everyone fawned over him–if she
said the same thing in her own words everyone called her a scheming
harridan. When Obama made millions on book royalities everyone said he
was a brilliant writer, when Clinton made millions on her books the
blogs said she was a hack who made money by illegal means and that she
should be investigated. As a liberal I couldn’t help noticing that the
left was just as bad as the right wing in this.
— Posted by leslie
2008
12:43 pm
I
am a minority woman with 3 degrees and I recall all the speeches I
heard about the right of women to work and hold high paying jobs. No
one mentioned that minority women worked because they had to. The
luxury of not working was not available to them. They also could not
affort to take advantage available to wealthy white females. Coat
hangers were there only option. I was screwed over more by well to do
white women then men. Now my friends are for the most part, Hispanic,
black, and Lesbians. I remembered all this when I heard Hillary coming
out in support of poor non-white women. She has lived a life of luxury
and she does not speak for millions on non-white women who have had to
endure what she just went through with well heeled white privileged
women. Obama resonated with me and I will campaign for him.
— Posted by Nora Brusuelas
2008
12:43 pm
I
certainly agree with your statements. A small addition–the following is
a quote from an article by David Herszenhorn that is on the front page:
“Mrs. Feinstein had made the offer before and it was still good. And
so a few hours later, at just about 9 p.m., Mrs. Clinton and Senator
Barack Obama arrived for a face to face chat. No staff. No spouses.
Just the two of them in Mrs. Feinstein’s living room.”
Why is Barack Obama “Senator” while the two women are titled “Mrs.”?
Surely the Times has a style book that describes appropriate titles.
Maybe it needs revising.
— Posted by prolly3
2008
12:44 pm
Certain
commentators in the media undoubtedly made several vicious and
mysoginistic remarks during this campaign. And we must take it as given
that many people (including unfortunately some women) would never ever
vote for a woman as president…as many people would refuse to vote for a
non-white person (heck, maybe even some of the same people!!!)
But honestly this campaign was about electability from the start,
and NO ONE seems to be asking this question: with name recognition, a
huge war chest, a crack team of veteran campaigners and the aura of
seeming “inevitability”, why was HRC unable to close the deal?
I’d suggest that her tenure as first lady and the scorched earth
reputation that resulted might have been an issue. Some of the people
whom she threatened to “bury” in her most Kruschevian moments of
HillaryCare in ‘93…are still in congress. And I think people still
think of the Clintons as embodying naked ambition with zero loyalty to
their party. Monicagate LOST the election in 2000 for us, folks!! You
think they cared? And Billy Boy used his pardoning powers to let
Marc/Denise Roch off the hook, as well as many similarly shady
characters who poured money into the Clinton coffers over the years.
Maybe her (undeniable) sense of entitlement sealed her deal with the
voters as well. We’re coming out of eight years of being “lead” by a
to-the-manor-born president literally given his job by the Supreme
Court. Maybe voters are finally ready for someone to be president who
HASN’T been the beneficiary of professional affirmative action the way
Bush (and I would argue Clinton)have. As a litmus test for gender HRC
was a non-starter from the beginning…running as an independant woman
who was not above using her hubbie’s influence when it suited her may
have turned off some voters.
The promise of feminism was that a qualified woman would have the
same shot…not that she would be guaranteed victory. Too bad so many HRC
supporters confuse the two.
— Posted by Adam O.
2008
12:44 pm
We
as a country and as females need to have discussion on feminism. The
old guard feminists seem to think that all females regardless of
thought or opinion must vote for the first female candidate because of
some loyalty to their gender. I am female and appalled at that
sentiment. I am an educated, professional who can read and form
opinions for myself and I will vote for the candidate whom I think is
best suited for the job regardless of age or gender. Not blindly for
someone of my gender because it is ‘our time’ or ‘we need to rally
around our sister’.
I also have a problem with claiming experience through association. I
was shocked when no less a person than Gloria Steinem without batting
an eyelid said Sen. Clinton had ‘an unprecedented 8 years on the job
training’ in her op-ed on Jan 8 2008 op-ed peice in this very paper
titled ‘Women are not front runners’.Did I miss something in the 8
years of the Clinton Presidency ? Did we become a co-presidency ? If
so, what was Al Gore? Window dressing ? My husband and I work in the
same field. We sometimes trouble shoot ideas together. If I were to
claim his experience as mine by virtue of being his wife, I would be
fired and may even get into legal trouble. So how is it true of Sen.
Clinton then. Her true experience is one as a Senator which she may or
may not have won if she had not been a former First Lady.
My idea of feminisim is choices. The choice to work or stay at home,
the choice to dress how I want within legal boundaries, read what I
want, be who I am, have opinions, voice them and make decisions on my
own regardless of my gender. This was an opportunity I did not have
where I was born and I found it in America. I will never take it for
granted. And no one can ever tell me or expect me ever again to do
something blindly on the basis of my gender.
— Posted by AN
2008
12:44 pm
Regardless
of the many fair and unfair criticisms of Sen. Clintion there is no
doubt in my mind that this dispicable gender hatred has not been called
what it is by most of the media. If you had told me two years ago that
sexism would trump racism I would never have believed you. Sadly it
has. Unfortunatley this does not mean racism is no longer a major
problem, just that mysoginy is an even bigger problem in our society
than I realized.
In one of Martin Luther King Jr. speeches he said something to the
effect of … the sadest thing about segregation is not the hateful words
and deeds of the segregationist but the silence of the non
segregationists. Where is the outrage of our citizens and media?
Although I tried to convince my spouse to vote for Obama instead of
Clinton I deplore all of this woman hating talk. Those who bash Clinton
on her gender alone, be they men or women, are gutless sleezeballs.
— Posted by Rodney Presley
2008
12:44 pm
Thank you so much for speaking truth. I can’t believe how little we have progressed.
— Posted by Julissa
2008
12:45 pm
I’m
a white over 50 woman who has made it to the [almost] highest levels of
American business, I know first hand the casual sexism that exists.
I am still shocked at the gender-specific, juvenile criticism of
Hillary. There are plenty of legitimate reasons to criticize her and
her campaign, and plenty of grown up, gender neutral ways to express
that criticism. I myself am an Obama supporter and believe he will be a
better role model for our daughters. Nevertheless, the way criticism
has been expressed about her–NOT the criticism itself–is clearly sexist
and frankly discouraging.
— Posted by Feminist New Yorker
2008
12:45 pm
Finally… thank you!
— Posted by Christina
2008
12:45 pm
I
voted for Sen Clinton, she lost, Obama ran a better campaign. Every
candidate has unfair things said about them. The ones said about
Clinton were particularly annoying because they were so juvenile, but
being Bill Clinton’s wife was always going to be a two-edged sword.
But what I want to know is why is Miranda’s not shaving her pubic
hair “defiantly sexless”? Why is looking pre-pubescent (i.e., hairless)
sexy? I sometimes enjoyed SATC TV show, I always assumed it had about
as much to do with real women as “All in the Family” had to do with
working class Americans.
— Posted by Gene
2008
12:45 pm
What
Ms Warner says about the way women are treated in our society
unfortunately applies to some men but not all of us, and it may or may
not apply to all women. I know that I, as a lifelong Democrat and
former avid Clinton supporter, wound up thinking that Hillary ran an
unappealing campaign and not because she is a woman. On the other hand,
I didn’t know much about Obama but found myself moving toward him
because of his message: “It’s past time for change and I will be the
catalyst for that change.” Hillary initially offered us more of the
same way of doing business, by emphasizing her “experience” although
she finally morphed into an “agent of change” when she saw the success
of Obama’s approach.
Sure, some men are women haters – far too many
- but when a candidate throws his or her hat into the ring he/she
should expect taking their undeserved lumps for whatever reason,
whether it it be for color, race, gender or creed. The fact that
Hillary is not universally loved speaks more, in my mind, to her public
personality and persona than to the fact that she’s a woman. Everybody
who knows her says how charming, witty and funny she is in private.
Maybe she wouldn’t have had to put up with some much dreck from the
inane “pundits” if she had had the guts to be herself–which also was a
major problem for Al Gore in his failed campaign for the presidency.
Strat Douthat
Montpelier, Vt.
— Posted by strat douthat
2008
12:47 pm
Mr. Kristof also wrote about this very issue recently. So there are men as well as women who note the severe existing misogyny.
I am single-handedly raising a son. What grabs my attention almost
on a daily basis is ensuring he grows up not disrespecting girls or
women because of the daily hatred and disregard toward females in the
media.
How can any country, whether growing or declining, afford to
literally trash such a valuable resource as human beings? I am sick and
tired of the politically correct insisting that minorities be included
in this. The Anita Hill and Clarence Thomas issue decided this decades
ago. There are congressionally mandated incentives to give support to
minority-owned businesses (known as 8a), whether male or female, but
none to females. Minority status trumps gender.
It is true what you write. If Barrack Obama experienced the
in-your-face daily hatred that Hillary Clinton has for being a woman,
we would angrily rise up in opposition to this behavior as a nation.
The truth remains, stating this as a “sweetie” that half of us don’t
matter. Our minds-what women are able to contribute-is a wasted
resource. Women as well as men hate women which is a sickening travesty.
I wish someone would do a study. Observe over the course of one year
from newspapers/media/police and medical reports around the country how
we, as a society, treat women. We all would come to see that we lynch
women-though this lynching is done differently, but is ignored, violent
hatred nonetheless. This truth does not make it acceptable to hate men
for not wanting to share power. Blaming only men is totally wrong.
Women equally share this responsibility.
How many women write columns for newspapers beside the “help”
columns-the percentage is teeny. How many women of any race are law
school professors? It’s laughable, though there are many qualified,
capable women. How many women run anything other than small businesses?
This salacious hatred remains as one of the larger glaring
inconsistencies in our nation. Rather than “assisting” women how about
raising the income of women to match that of men so they could buy more
products and services. Can you imagine what an economic stimulus that
would be? You won’t hear much from the majority of us, however. Many of
us have ex-spouses who don’t help out, and we are busy raising children
and paying mortgages with .77 cents of every dollar men, for just being
men, make. We are all to blame for this. All of us. Me included.
— Posted by Angela Atterbury
2008
12:47 pm
This
is a nice piece. As someone who has been irritated by vague, amorphous
cries of “sexism” from certain Clinton supporters and disturbed by some
of the more specific accusations (”periodically,” anyone?), I feel that
Ms. Warner does an excellent job of honing right in on where the
problem lies: with the media, as a reflection of us. And by ‘us’ let’s
be very clear: the overwhelming majority of men and women in this
society, without the tacit support of whom comments like Carlson’s and
the rest would–as suggested–be chased off the air. Throwing in SATC
deepens and broadens the discussion considerably; I’m not sure there’s
an easy connection to be drawn, but working in that direction is a
healthy activity for us all. Thanks for a good read!
— Posted by Alex F.
2008
12:48 pm
Thank
you for taking a good hard swipe at “Sex” – yes I am female but no I
have not been lobotmized. There is no way, absolutely no way, I will
pay money or waste time on that ridiculous garbage – a movie about
shoes, handbags and cocktails is a disgrace to the gender. Frankly, and
unfortunately, this is a gender that doesn’t seem to mind disgracing
itself often with the “I want to be a princess” and “I want to be a
yummy mummy” tripe that so many women embrace. It’s lonely to have some
standards and a sense of self….
I might get myself one of those Hillary nutcrackers, though. My line
of work has forced me to, when needed, be pretty tough and I’d own the
nutcracker with pride. Yes, I can do that too…
— Posted by MJ
2008
12:49 pm
Thanks
for writing so clearly about the still extant sexism that plagues out
country. Reminds me of Shirley Chisholm’s comment when she was running
for President…..that it was a bigger problem being a woman than being
black….guess its still true today.
I have always truly sympathized with black women who have to deal with both racism and sexism.
— Posted by Bill C
2008
12:50 pm
It is okay to be angry if you are justified. Male-bashing has been the publicly approved stance for nearly 39 years.
But I’m waiting to hear anyone recall the Golden Rule….to treat others as you would like to be treated.
As a few, promptly blacklested and labelled ‘dissident’, feminists have
observed, few women would like to be treated as they treat men.
— Posted by Chris Smolyk
2008
12:50 pm
How lovely to have you back–and how lovely to read the intelligent comments of so many of your readers.
I am not a supporter of Senator Clinton–perhaps most of all because of
the tenor of her campaign–for instance the whole “popular vote” issue
which is possibly true, but only possibly, and only if you discount
caucus states and award absolutely no votes to Senator Obama from
Michigan. That issue did not advance her ideas at all, but only served
to make Senator Obama’s victory seem illegitimate in the eyes of many.
However, I am absolutely horrified at the sexism and misogyny her
candidacy brought out.
The link to “Sex and the City” may be more significant than we think.
In a culture that is so shallow, do we even hesitate before saying
something mean anymore? Has anybody been reading what’s goes on in the
blogosphere? Everybody’s fair game. Lord, if I were an American Idol
contestant, I’d probably want to slit my wrists. And that’s the mild
stuff. But with people like Ann Coulter and Rush Limbaugh setting the
standard, what do we expect?
What I’m rather worried about, oddly enough, is that we’re not hearing
an equal amount of racist venom. Does that mean there’s less of it, or
is it really just so deep we don’t even recognize it? I heard a
supporter of Senator Clinton call NPR yesterday to say she would never
vote for Senator Obama because he’s all talk (Who did we hear that
from?) and he simply wouldn’t get anything done. She said she was going
to vote for Senator McCain, because he could get things done. Did it
really not occur to the caller that it might make a difference what
things exactly the two candidates want to get done? Or was her
statement, perhaps, a politely convenient way to explain why she
wouldn’t vote for Senator Obama–which could be because at some level
she isn’t even aware of, she carries within her the racism that for so
long has been a part of our cultural? Can overt misogyny be seen as a
step forward, in a way? At least it’s out there. People are calling
attention to it. (Thanks to you and others for that.) To even call an
otherwise reasonable person a racist is taboo. I have had to wonder
over the last few months if Senator Clinton’s “elitist” remarks aren’t
a kind of coded something resembling racism. Wasn’t she saying,in
essence, “He’s not one of us?” Sometimes the more subtle stuff is
scarier and more dangerous.
— Posted by Elizabeth Fuller
2008
12:52 pm
I
have been so angry with the snide remarks made by Chris Matthews and
others about Hillary that i have quit watching hardball. It seems the
cable media cannot find a good thing to say about her. Sadly I think
Obama did nothing to stop it and probably fueled the firestorm. Hillary
is head and shoulders above the other candidates. She has made her mark
in history books not unlike Rosa Parks in the bus.
— Posted by Bessie E. Burke
2008
12:53 pm
In
my opinion, going on and on about race and gender is just making the
problem worse. We should all learn to see beyond the fact that Hilary’s
a woman and that Barack’s black, and look at them for their experience,
their inspiration, their leadership, their policies, and their
personalities — despite their race or gender.
Voting for Barack just because he’s black, or Hilary just because
she’s a woman, or complaining that every criticism of either candidate
has to do with racism or sexism makes race and gender the central issue
of this election. We should instead focus on the important issues of
this disastrous age.
I am a woman, active in political life, and I consider myself to a
feminist. I did not vote for Hilary Clinton because I think Obama will
truly repair this country. Electing him will be sign to our country and
the whole world that America really realizes what a mistake the last 8
years have been.
And honestly, I think Clinton´s behavior in the last few months has
actually made life for women interested in public office much more
difficult. Her behavior has been irresponsible to the Party and to this
country.
Let´s move on from the politics of race and gender and focus on the individuals.
— Posted by Sarah
2008
12:54 pm
I
feel that I’ve tried to keep an open mind on this. Being a black man in
corporate america I’ve always thought I had a keen antenna for
racism/sexism but I honestly say, I dont see it here.
If Hillary had aquired more delegates by out hustling Obama in
caucus states; If she was able to garner a superior funding base
through individual internet donations; If she established a consistent
message early on in the campaign that resonated with voters; If Hillary
Clinton’s campaign had done all these things and Obama’s response was
“I didn’t win because I was black” what would everyone say? He’d be
labled a cry baby using his race as an excuse. And they’d be right.
I think the outcome of this nomination is more indicative of a
generational shift of the old vs young, rather than whether our country
is more receptive to a black man vs a woman. Old technology vs new
technology, old fundraising techniques vs the new. Old battleground
states vs new states that are in contention. With the passing of time I
think we’ll get some clarity on this.
Sometimes you get beat fair & square. And it diminishes Hillary Clinton to suggest otherwise.
— Posted by Jason
2008
12:54 pm
I
really appreciated your editorial. You’ve made many of the points I’ve
been making since the beginning of the election (mostly falling on deaf
ears). I will share this editorial and encourage others to pay
particular attention to paragraph five.
— Posted by B. Young
2008
12:55 pm
Thank
you for this. I have spent a lot of time thinking about these two
issues; Sen. Clinton, and Sex and the City, and it is clear to me that
they are the same issue. I know no one would have tolerated the same
intolerant comments if they were based on race instead of gender.
I would also add that I have noticed the media uses first names and
nicknames as a way to show disrespect and it is often done with women
“Hilary” and “Condi” are just two examples.
— Posted by Kaye
2008
12:56 pm
Sexism
is clearly a problem in this society. The real problem however, is that
enough women don’t care about it. They continue to let men get away
with sexist remarks, gestures, acts and actions. Men get away with it
so often, they think its normal to be offensive. If more women don’t
get stand up for what is right, then will always be a very sexist
society. Make some noise ladies!!!!!
— Posted by George
2008
12:56 pm
Judith,
I too am glad you’re back because I alway appreciate your straight
shooting outspokenness and insight. And I am as appalled as you by the
rampant, unabashed sexism that has been unleashed during this campaign.
It’s scary. And I think we are going to now see similar racist behavior
because now that Obama is the nominee, I think the floodgates will
open.
That aside, I decided early on not to vote for Hillary Clinton
because I truly believe that we need generational change and we need to
break the domination of the Bush-Clinton dynasty. I chose Obama because
he is so smart and I like and trust the way he thinks, and I think the
country and the world need some big new energy and ways of thinking. He
just has something special and important and I can’t wait to see him in
office.
Clinton is also really smart and also has really big energy and
something special, but she woudl not bring the generational change that
seems so important and she woudl continue what I see as un-American
hold of two family ruling dynasties.
That said, had she ended up the nominee, I would have voted for her
without a second thought because more than anything, I think we need to
elect a democrat. I knew that months ago, and thought, I’d be happy
with Clinton. Happier with Obama, but fine with Clinton.
But now, I am utterly dismayed and deeply,deeply disappointed by
Clinton’s behavior. She has played dirty whenever and however it might
serve her. She has been dishonest and disingenuous as well and now she
is acting like the sorest possible loser. (and saying she will
“suspend” her campaign no less). At times, she has been downright
disreputable. As the first woman to run for president, she has set a
very poor and standard and I think she should be ashamed. I wish she’d
behaved admirably and honorably, despite the difficulties she faced, so
that the women who follow in her footsteps would have a true role
model.
She is engendering hostility and is compromising our ability to oust
the republicans, and in the end, I find that unforgiveable.
This white middle aged woman with a graduate degree and a strong
allegiance to the democrats is now wishing more than anything that both
of the Clintons would just go away. go home, go back to their old
lives, go away.
and let’s all focus on ending the republican domination that has caused so much devastation.
(and BTW, Clinton invited the first name informality — very early
on, her signs and t-shirts and everything else screamed out Hillary! )
MB
— Posted by MB
2008
12:57 pm
Thank
you for this article. It was very thought provoking. As I viewed of the
primary debates, my reaction was disconnected from that of the pundits
(both liberal and conservative). I saw Hillary as clearly the more
articulate and knowledgable compared with Obama in several instances,
and then would hear from the commentators that it was a draw or that
Obama had the edge. It seemed like unreality. The calls for Hillary to
withdraw from the campaign which have been evident for so many weeks,
likewise seemed like unreality. As if the substance of the campaign
didn’t matter, and as if the only important element was the final
score.
— Posted by Kathy
2008
12:57 pm
Bravo.
Illuminating on many levels..somehow i missed the sexist Hillary
bashing merchandise but am not surprised. Sex and the City always
seemed to me to be all about humiliating stupid women, and therefore
not really worth my time. Feminism now seems to be all about sex, too
much so. i think this is the wrong path. No balance in our
civilization, only extremism. No one thing is about only one thing.
Focus is important but so is balance. I also think men, especially
urban men, or any with Internet access for
that matter are brainwashed from day one with sexual imagery. I believe
this creates overstimulated and sexually obsessed men who really, truly
see women as sexual objects and ultimately, merely decoration.
— Posted by Joosan
2008
12:57 pm
Is
it possible that the inconvenient truth here is that Hillary’s failure
had less to do with some schoolyard name calling than it did with her
incredible sense of entitlement, her hubris? John Kerry was a patrician
snob, McCain is a crusty dinosaur, Bush was an illiterate nincompoop.
Ladies, ….thou doest protest too much. Reagan turned age jokes to his
advantage. I don’t know why Hillary could not figure that out.
— Posted by Doug